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Pro-lifers against Buffett-Gates alliance
Associated Press ^ | 06/30/06 | DAVID CRARY

Posted on 06/30/2006 12:09:04 PM PDT by presidio9

Warren Buffett's new philanthropic alliance with fellow billionaire Bill Gates won widespread praise this week, but anti-abortion activists did not join in, instead assailing the two donors for their longtime support of Planned Parenthood and international birth-control programs.

The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, to which Buffett has pledged the bulk of his $44-billion fortune, devotes the vast majority of its funding to combating disease and poverty in developing countries. Less than 1 percent has gone to Planned Parenthood over the years.

"The merger of Gates and Buffett may spell doom for the families of the developing world," said the Rev. Thomas Euteneuer, a Roman Catholic priest who is president of Human Life International.

Referring to Josef Mengele, the infamous Nazi death camp doctor, Euteneuer said Buffett "will be known as the Dr. Mengele of philanthropy unless he repents."

The Planned Parenthood Federation of America issued statements praising Buffett and Gates for their generosity. Gloria Feldt, a former Planned Parenthood president, said she was appalled by the harsh attacks on them.

"What an outrage that these people have the gall to cast aspersions on other citizens for standing up for what they believe," Feldt said Thursday. "They have no right whatsoever to criticize people who put their money where their mouths are."

The foundation founded by Buffett, and now named after his late wife, Susan, came under fire from some anti-abortion groups in the 1990s after it gave $2 million to fund clinical trials of mifepristone, more commonly known as the RU-486 abortion pill. The foundation also has supported various abortion-rights and family-planning groups, and Susan Buffett was eulogized after her death in 2004 as a champion of women's reproductive health.

Tony Perkins, president of the conservative Family Research Council, wrote a commentary this week holding the Buffetts partially responsible for the approval of RU-486 in 2000.

"Since then, approximately 500,000 American babies have been killed with RU-486," Perkins wrote. "Buffett's billions have the potential to do damage like this on a global scale."

Staff at the Susan T. Buffett Foundation office in Omaha, Neb., said its executive director, Allen Greenberg, would have no comment on the criticisms.

The Gates Foundation also is a patron of reproductive-health programs, funding research on new contraceptive technologies and initiatives to improve access to birth control.

Planned Parenthood, which is the leading provider of abortions in the United States, has received $34 million from the Gates Foundation over the years — out of a total of $10.5 billion in grants worldwide, according to foundation spokeswoman Jacquelline Fuller. She said the foundation does not fund abortion services, earmarking the grants for other Planned Parenthood programs.

Joseph D'Agostino, a spokesman for the anti-abortion Population Research Institute, said the foundation position "is simply dishonest."

"Abortion services are the primary mission of Planned Parenthood," he said. "If you fund one side of an organization, that frees them up to transfer funds to the other things they do."

Feldt confirmed that the Gates Foundation stipulated that its gifts to Planned Parenthood not be used for abortion services. But that policy has not spared Bill Gates' Microsoft Corp. from anti-abortion protests over the years.

At the 2003 annual shareholders meeting, anti-abortion activists cited Microsoft's support for Planned Parenthood during an unsuccessful attempt to stop the company from directly contributing to charities.

Beyond the issue of abortion, some critics oppose the Buffett and Gates foundations' support for global family-planning and population control programs.

"Some of the wealthiest men in the world descend like avenging angels on the populations of the developing world," wrote Population Research Institute president Steven Mosher, a frequent critic of Gates and Buffett. "They seek to decimate their numbers, to foist upon vulnerable people abortion, sterilization and contraception."


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1 posted on 06/30/2006 12:09:05 PM PDT by presidio9
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Warren Buffett's new philanthropic alliance with fellow billionaire Bill Gates won widespread praise this week, but anti-abortion activists did not join in, instead assailing the two donors for their longtime support of Planned Parenthood and international birth-control programs in-utero child slaughtering initiatives.

There. AP bias corrected.
2 posted on 06/30/2006 12:11:05 PM PDT by Antoninus (Public schools are the madrassas of the American Left. --Ann Coulter, Godless)
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To: presidio9
Beyond the issue of abortion, some critics oppose the Buffett and Gates foundations' support for global family-planning and population control programs.

It's funny how what used to be called "philanthropy" looks an awful lot like misanthropy these days.
3 posted on 06/30/2006 12:12:11 PM PDT by Antoninus (Public schools are the madrassas of the American Left. --Ann Coulter, Godless)
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To: presidio9
ping for future.

Answers in Genesis.

4 posted on 06/30/2006 12:12:18 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( http://www.answersingenesis.org)
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To: presidio9

Buffett-Gates Axis


5 posted on 06/30/2006 12:12:34 PM PDT by LIConFem (It is by will alone I set my mind in motion...)
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To: Mr. Silverback; cpforlife.org; Coleus; wideawake


6 posted on 06/30/2006 12:16:47 PM PDT by presidio9 ("Bird Flu" is the new Y2K virus -only without the inconvenient deadline.)
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To: Antoninus
The Negro Project: Margaret Sanger's Eugenic Plan for Black Americans
7 posted on 06/30/2006 12:18:12 PM PDT by presidio9 ("Bird Flu" is the new Y2K virus -only without the inconvenient deadline.)
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To: presidio9

The day it was announced that Buffet was throwing his billions into the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation bright red flags went up for me. The Foundation's support of Planned Parenthood coupled with Buffet's overt support of same, and a firm believer in population control sends shivers down my back. Population control doesn't only entail abortion, but also euthanasia, as well as genecide.
How sad that those billions of dollars couldn't be spent in cleaning up America of pornography and obscene television "sitcoms"; raising the standards of our system of education at all levels; getting rid of anti-American movements by exposing them; funding wholesome activity for latchkey kids; and making grants to teach welfare recipients how to earn their own bread; and even establishing a newspaper dedicated to the truth, to present the who, what, when and where only of the news without all the yellow varnish. These men could be heros rising from the ashes to fight evil, but instead they choose to fund it.


8 posted on 06/30/2006 12:33:11 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( on the cutting edge.)
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To: presidio9
Warren Buffett's new philanthropic alliance with fellow billionaire Bill Gates won widespread praise this week, but anti-abortion activists did not join in, instead assailing the two donors for their longtime support of Planned Parenthood and international birth-control programs.

These anti-abortionist are starting to get on my nerves.. Who cares?!?! there is far more pressing issues to deal with ... like congressional pork spending, winning in iraq, stopping illegal immigration and fair tax reform.
9 posted on 06/30/2006 12:34:02 PM PDT by Element187
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To: Element187

That's the second idiotic post out of you today newbie. Maybe you're trying to be sarcastic, but how about giving it a rest?


10 posted on 06/30/2006 12:36:32 PM PDT by presidio9 ("Bird Flu" is the new Y2K virus -only without the inconvenient deadline.)
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To: presidio9
So with $30billion dollars... the US taxpayer will NEVER have to fund an abortion again, right? Right?

These rich socialists could set up private administration of all the social programs they want. How about health care for the poor? Oh wait, the lines would grow exponentially as they begin to hand out money?

I'm fearful of the influence of this much money on government. The best government Soros types can buy.
11 posted on 06/30/2006 12:41:59 PM PDT by weegee (If fetal tissue is non-viable, then why are they trying to use it to stimulate cell production?)
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To: Element187

Yeah, 50million dead Americans are nothing compared to 10million butchered under Hitler or 20million under Stalin. < /sarc >


12 posted on 06/30/2006 12:42:53 PM PDT by weegee (If fetal tissue is non-viable, then why are they trying to use it to stimulate cell production?)
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To: Paperdoll

They don't want a smarter America. Keep them dumb, voting as a bloc, and keep them entertained so they don't commit much crime or have time to organize (or educate themselves).


13 posted on 06/30/2006 12:44:27 PM PDT by weegee (If fetal tissue is non-viable, then why are they trying to use it to stimulate cell production?)
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To: Antoninus

You may not like the causes Buffett supports, but do you deny his right to leave his money as he wishes? You can leave your billions somewhere else, after all.


14 posted on 06/30/2006 12:44:48 PM PDT by linda_22003
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To: Antoninus
It is his money and he can do as he wishes with it.


However, you could match his 40 Billion by donating your estate to a cause in which you believe.
15 posted on 06/30/2006 12:48:04 PM PDT by H. Paul Pressler IV
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To: presidio9

There's more to it than the abortion issue.

Bill Gates against repealing the inheritance tax
http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/transcript_inheritance.html

"Gun-Control Group Changes Name, Keeps Agenda"
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=%5C%5CNation%5C%5Carchive%5C%5C200106%5C%5CNAT20010615a.html
(and Bill is a contributor)

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/law/july-dec97/guns_11-4.html
(more money for gun control from Gates and his father)

"Is Bill Gates a closet liberal?"
http://archive.salon.com/21st/feature/1998/01/cov_29feature.html
(Bill Gates for gun control, pro-abortion, etc.)

http://vikingphoenix.com/news/madminute/1997/mm970040.htm
(Gates on gun control)

The Left-Wing Billionaire Collectivist Pigs
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/9/25/191020.shtml

Billionaire Collectivist Pigs on a Roll
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/10/11/171315.shtml

"Bill Gates Is No Free Market Hero"
http://brian.carnell.com/articles/2000/12/000046.html

The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation gave $8.8 million to the Planned Parenthood Federation.
http://www.cnn.com/2000/HEALTH/women/12/11/health.women.gates.reut/


16 posted on 06/30/2006 12:48:37 PM PDT by familyop ("Either you're with us, or you're with the terrorists." --President Bush)
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To: Paperdoll
"How sad that those billions of dollars couldn't be spent on [the list follows]... "
Well, the solution is right on surface: you are more than welcome to spend your billions however you see fit, or pool your resources with other like-minded people if you somehow come a few pennies short. Nothing obstructs you. It is their money, and how they choose to spend it within the law is nobody's business but theirs. In works of charity even the left hand should not know whose pocket the right hand is picking.
17 posted on 06/30/2006 12:51:35 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: H. Paul Pressler IV; linda_22003
It is his money and he can do as he wishes with it.

Where did either of you get the idea that anybody was suggesting otherwise? The point is the fact that a lot of his money is going to a cause founded to reduce the black population of this country means that he may not be the big-hearted softie that the MSM has been fwaning over.

18 posted on 06/30/2006 12:53:12 PM PDT by presidio9 ("Bird Flu" is the new Y2K virus -only without the inconvenient deadline.)
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To: linda_22003
You may not like the causes Buffett supports, but do you deny his right to leave his money as he wishes? You can leave your billions somewhere else, after all.

I'm impressed with how tolerant, non-judgmental, and relativist you are. You'd no doubt be fine if he gave $34 billion to NAMBLA or the KKK, right? Would you come out publicly and defend his right to do so?

Giving money to support an evil cause is evil. Defending someone's "right" to do evil makes you a party to their wickedness.
19 posted on 06/30/2006 12:54:34 PM PDT by Antoninus (Public schools are the madrassas of the American Left. --Ann Coulter, Godless)
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To: H. Paul Pressler IV
It is his money and he can do as he wishes with it.

Would you feel the same sense of calm resignation if he gave all that money to MoveOn.org?
20 posted on 06/30/2006 12:56:41 PM PDT by Antoninus (Public schools are the madrassas of the American Left. --Ann Coulter, Godless)
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To: Antoninus

I have no idea what the legalities of giving money to the two organizations you mention would be, since they operate outside the law for the most part.

Don't worry about me being tolerant and non-judgmental; you have enough intolerance and finger-pointing for both of us, and then some. :)

So, you do deny his right to leave his money as he wishes? If you think it is evil, why not file an injunction and see what happens?


21 posted on 06/30/2006 12:57:56 PM PDT by linda_22003
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To: Antoninus

It is his money and I have no say or opinion who he gives it to.


22 posted on 06/30/2006 12:59:05 PM PDT by H. Paul Pressler IV
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To: Antoninus

The Fortune magazine article on this which I got in the mail yesterday had an interesting factoid that illustrates just how big the Buffett bequest really is.

John D. Rockefeller and Andrew Carnegie's fortunes are compared with Buffett's $30 million; in today's dollars, each of them "only" come out at $7 billion apiece. Put together, they don't add up to half of Buffett's.


23 posted on 06/30/2006 1:01:31 PM PDT by linda_22003
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To: linda_22003
I have no idea what the legalities of giving money to the two organizations you mention would be, since they operate outside the law for the most part.

This is patently untrue. Both NAMBLA and the KKK are legal entities. You just find their activities more distasteful than those of Planned Parenthood. Many of us don't.

24 posted on 06/30/2006 1:03:43 PM PDT by presidio9 ("Bird Flu" is the new Y2K virus -only without the inconvenient deadline.)
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To: linda_22003
I have no idea what the legalities of giving money to the two organizations you mention would be, since they operate outside the law for the most part.

Planned Barrenhood should be forced to operate outside the law as well.

Don't worry about me being tolerant and non-judgmental; you have enough intolerance and finger-pointing for both of us, and then some. :)

Right. I'm intolerant of evil--as represented by PP and other pro-infanticide groups. You, on the other hand, think that doctors who make baby-frappés for a living are providing a valuable service to society.

So, you do deny his right to leave his money as he wishes?

You just did as well, I'm assuming, by hinting that it might not be kosher for him to give to the KKK or NAMBLA because they "operate outside the law."

If you think it is evil, why not file an injunction and see what happens?

As you and I both know, our society is out of whack when it comes to that which is evil and that which is illegal.
25 posted on 06/30/2006 1:04:41 PM PDT by Antoninus (Public schools are the madrassas of the American Left. --Ann Coulter, Godless)
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To: presidio9

"Since Nov 7 2005". At what point of time is one promoted out of the newbies? How long is the boot camp? If one has to serve half a year, then in his case it has been accomplished.


26 posted on 06/30/2006 1:05:10 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: H. Paul Pressler IV
It is his money and I have no say or opinion who he gives it to.

That's true. But are you so dead in spirit that you can't be outraged when millions of those dollars go to slaughtering the unborn in utero?
27 posted on 06/30/2006 1:06:06 PM PDT by Antoninus (Public schools are the madrassas of the American Left. --Ann Coulter, Godless)
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To: linda_22003
each of them "only" come out at $7 billion apiece.

I call BS on that one too. Carnegie Hall the Carnegie Museum and Carnegie Mellon university alone are already worth about that much.

28 posted on 06/30/2006 1:07:31 PM PDT by presidio9 ("Bird Flu" is the new Y2K virus -only without the inconvenient deadline.)
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To: GSlob
"Since Nov 7 2005". At what point of time is one promoted out of the newbies? How long is the boot camp? If one has to serve half a year, then in his case it has been accomplished.

No, I'd say you remain a newbie for a full year.

29 posted on 06/30/2006 1:08:28 PM PDT by presidio9 ("Bird Flu" is the new Y2K virus -only without the inconvenient deadline.)
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To: presidio9

The number one cause of poverty is socialism.

If Gates wanted to end poverty, he would work to abolish poverty world-wide by putting $30 billion towards create open free-market economies in every country on earth.
Protect property rights, lower taxes, and make it easier to start a business.

The number two cause is illiteracy and lack of education.

If Gates wanted to end poverty, he would create a free educational system, lets call it education-on-a-CD that every child in the world could access. There is a way to do that: Hand cranked PCs that can be networked and cost only $100 a pop. Give one to each village in the world.


30 posted on 06/30/2006 1:10:13 PM PDT by WOSG (Do your duty, be a patriot, support our Troops - VOTE!)
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To: presidio9

I'm talking about the value of Rockefeller's and Carnegie's bequests when they were originally made, in today's dollars.


31 posted on 06/30/2006 1:12:09 PM PDT by linda_22003
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To: Antoninus

"You, on the other hand, think that doctors who make baby-frappés for a living are providing a valuable service to society."

You know I have never said anything of the kind. Your grip on the truth really slips when you get start to get hysterical. The Jebbies would be ashamed that you didn't learn any better debating techniques than that.


32 posted on 06/30/2006 1:13:41 PM PDT by linda_22003
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To: linda_22003
You know I have never said anything of the kind.

So you're anti-abortion, then? Please state your position on that issue, please.
33 posted on 06/30/2006 1:15:29 PM PDT by Antoninus (Public schools are the madrassas of the American Left. --Ann Coulter, Godless)
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To: Antoninus

I have done so many times, on these threads. You haven't been paying attention. But you DO know that I have never said anything even remotely like what you quoted. I challenge you to find where I have. That should keep you busy and out of the grownups' hair for several weeks, I would think.


34 posted on 06/30/2006 1:17:27 PM PDT by linda_22003
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To: linda_22003
I have done so many times, on these threads.

Really? News to me. I've never seen it. Why are you so shy about stating it again, anyway?

I'm pro-life and I don't mind telling you about it every time we debate.
35 posted on 06/30/2006 1:23:29 PM PDT by Antoninus (Public schools are the madrassas of the American Left. --Ann Coulter, Godless)
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To: Antoninus
"Would you feel the same sense of calm resignation if he gave all that money to MoveOn.org?"
Of course. Soros was giving them a lot of money [or was it somebody else and not Soros? And how much was given? - Well, there were reports that some rich donors were giving them money] and I was not foaming at the mouth. So why would I behave differently on this hypothetical occasion? Their freedom to spend their money within the law is absolute.
36 posted on 06/30/2006 1:24:00 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: Antoninus

The brief synopsis is that I am against it, but do not think that making it illegal will work, and will likely have unintended consequences. I am in favor of any and all forms of contraception that will prevent unwanted pregnancies.

You won't agree with any of that, and that is just fine with me.


37 posted on 06/30/2006 1:26:20 PM PDT by linda_22003
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To: GSlob


Don't let the sand get into your eyes. :o)


38 posted on 06/30/2006 1:28:26 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( on the cutting edge.)
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To: weegee

Right on! But you are preaching to the choir, wg. :o)


39 posted on 06/30/2006 1:32:08 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( on the cutting edge.)
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To: Paperdoll

Go get thee taxed. It clarifies perception.


40 posted on 06/30/2006 1:32:37 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: linda_22003
The brief synopsis is that I am against it, but do not think that making it illegal will work, and will likely have unintended consequences.

Oh, ok. I'll put you down as "Personally opposed, but..." In intellectually honest terms, you're pro-abortion rights. Hey, your position almost reaches the deft intellectual nuance of Mario Cuomo and John Kerry. Almost, but not quite.

An individual who can not muster the intellectual courage to call for the outlawing of in-utero baby-murder can not be said to be moral in any sense of that word.
41 posted on 06/30/2006 1:36:02 PM PDT by Antoninus (Public schools are the madrassas of the American Left. --Ann Coulter, Godless)
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To: Antoninus; linda_22003

>I'm impressed with how tolerant, and non-judgemental you are......Defending someone's right to do evil makes you a party to their wickedness.<

Very astute of you, Antoninus. linda must have been educated in the last 20 years where values clarification
(there is no right and no wrong), and situational ethics have been either insidiously or even overtly impressed on hungry young minds in the public schools, as well as in some private institutions. It takes time to create a zombie, and Satan adores a zombie.


42 posted on 06/30/2006 1:46:51 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( on the cutting edge.)
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To: Paperdoll

No, actually, I went to Antoninus' university, several years before he did. Good guess, though.


43 posted on 06/30/2006 1:48:52 PM PDT by linda_22003
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To: Antoninus

I just don't believe in passing laws that will be ineffective from the get-go. You prefer to make the grand declaration in favor of something unworkable. Chacun a son gout.

Wow, I don't live up to your moral standards. I will weep into my pillow tonight, over that. No - wait - my husband and I are going out tonight; tomorrow night, too. I'll weep into my pillow over it on Sunday night, okay? Is Sunday good for you? ;-D


44 posted on 06/30/2006 1:50:35 PM PDT by linda_22003
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To: linda_22003; Paperdoll
No, actually, I went to Antoninus' university, several years before he did. Good guess, though.

No, if you did attend the same university as I did (a large northeastern formerly Catholic university in the "Jesuit tradition"), Paperdoll is still correct. That particular university teaches (and has taught) exactly the situational/relativist ethics that he was talking about.

I spent my entire 4 years fighting tooth-and-nail against indoctrination into that particular form of insidious brainwashing and left there thinking it would be better to dynamite every building on campus, than to continue to allow it to promote itself as a "Catholic" institution.
45 posted on 06/30/2006 1:57:42 PM PDT by Antoninus (Public schools are the madrassas of the American Left. --Ann Coulter, Godless)
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To: Antoninus

Why did you bother to go there, then? And you've said before it's BC, no need to be coy about it here. The Jebbies have always been the intellectual outlaws of the Church, that's no secret.

If you didn't want that, why did you go? Jerry Falwell's place might have been better for you.


46 posted on 06/30/2006 2:00:02 PM PDT by linda_22003
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To: linda_22003
I just don't believe in passing laws that will be ineffective from the get-go. You prefer to make the grand declaration in favor of something unworkable.

Ah, I see. Outlawing abortion "won't work" in Linda's learned opinion, so it's better that we just permit the murder of 40 million unborn babies. That's got to be the most intellectually vacant position on abortion I've ever heard.

Tell me, Linda, do you believe that abortion ends a human life?

Wow, I don't live up to your moral standards. I will weep into my pillow tonight, over that.

They're not my moral standards. They are the moral standards.
47 posted on 06/30/2006 2:03:22 PM PDT by Antoninus (Public schools are the madrassas of the American Left. --Ann Coulter, Godless)
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To: linda_22003; Antoninus

>No, actually I went to Antoninus' university, several years before he did.<

Then either you are party to the reason rather than to the result, or you are very adept at creating divisiveness for your own amusement. I do not find killing babies amusing.


48 posted on 06/30/2006 2:04:52 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( on the cutting edge.)
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To: Antoninus
Ah, I see. Outlawing abortion "won't work" in Linda's learned opinion, so it's better that we just permit the murder of 40 million unborn babies. That's got to be the most intellectually vacant position on abortion I've ever heard.

No, FRiend, she fully supports the murder of babies and has stated such in the past. Don't be fooled.
49 posted on 06/30/2006 2:08:40 PM PDT by Zechariah_8_13 (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: Antoninus
Show me proof that Warren Buffet's money is going to fund outright abortion activities.

The Gates Foundation has done a lot of GOOD work in the areas of child nutrition, HIV/AIDS, and many grants to non-profit hospitals here in the US.
50 posted on 06/30/2006 2:09:29 PM PDT by Prodn2000
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