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Posted on 07/05/2006 11:54:01 AM PDT by Sub-Driver
Klein slams Al Gore interview on oil sands
JIM MACDONALD
Canadian Press
EDMONTON — Alberta Premier Ralph Klein has criticized former U.S. vice-president Al Gore for comments he made in a magazine interview in which he attacked the massive oil-sands industry in northern Alberta.
Mr. Gore told an interviewer in the latest issue of Rolling Stone that oil-sands processing is a huge waste of energy and creates an eyesore on the landscape of Western Canada.
“For every barrel of oil they extract there, they have to use enough natural gas to heat a family's home for four days,” Mr. Gore told the magazine.
“And they have to tear up four tonnes of landscape, all for one barrel of oil. It is truly nuts. But you know, junkies find veins in their toes. It seems reasonable, to them, because they've lost sight of the rest of their lives.”
Mr. Gore concluded that the United States must reduce its dependence on oil as the primary source of energy to save the planet from the devastating impact of global warming.
Mr. Klein, who was recently in Washington to promote the oil sands as a reliable source of energy for the United States, said Mr. Gore's views are simply not realistic.
“I don't know what he proposes the world run on, maybe hot air,” he told reporters on Tuesday. “I don't listen to Al Gore in particular because he's a Democrat. And not only that, he's about as far left as you can go
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Of course "wind farms" and "solar array farms" make for beautiful landscape, eh mr. gore?
He's about as far left as you can go, and not fall of the planet..........
“For every barrel of oil they extract there, they have to use enough natural gas to heat a family's home for four days,” Mr. Gore told the magazine.
When does someone mention that this same barrel of oil would heat that family's home for a YEAR?
Who? Klein or Gore? Your comment in the title was ambiguous.
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This from the Tobacco Baron. He's cerifiable.
The only problem with this statement is that "the planet" doesn't give a crap about global warming.
If (and that's a big "if") there is any validity to Gloabal Warming then humankind will be the only ones devastated.
"The planet" will be doing just fine whether we are here or not.
Mr. Gore is exhibiting a strange kind of hubris by implying that mankind has the power to destroy a planet.
"creates an eyesore on the landscape"
Moreso than asking if a tree falls in the forest and no one is there... Can a landscape BE an eyesore if no one is there?
Eyesore means it offends the eyes. No eyes, no eyesore.
Soundwaves are still projected by a falling tree even if no HUMAN is around to hear it.
Do wild animals protest "eyesores"? Do they care?
That's our Al, bringing love, contentment and pseudo science wherever he goes. He is so pathetic, there is nothing he won't do for publicity.
This is the same Algore who took royalties from an open pit zink mine on his Tennessee farm ?
America has BEEN using oil. China and India are NEW to heavy oil usage. Why not persuade THEM to use something different? Do they have emmissions standards that equal or exceed those in the US?
Then tell Mr. Gore to STFU.
Small house you have there.
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Don't overstate the case PD -- the 55 gallons of oil in a barrel may not heat for a year, but certainly a month is not unreasonable. Heck, even two weeks in a tough stretch of northeastern winter. You still end up with a net energy gain.
And the torn up landscape is a hoot. Once the heavy equipment goes away, an amazing thing happens to "torn up landscape". The plant fairies come in and put weeds, grasses, then bushes, and eventually trees in a process that I'm sure the Gorons out there would think of as the Gaia Goddess' magic.
To AlGore, F**k YOU!!!
Let him fuel his jet with solar power!!!
4 tons of landscape? thats only a few scoops with a large bucket.
Bwahahahahaha
Al Gore would prefer we went back to the days when we had to shovel horse sh** off the streets.
And sold the California oil reserves to Occidental, in which his family was heavily invested.
Gore, mon ami..........
If I remember my discovery channel correctly the larger standard Yutes (Off Road Dumptrucks) are 40 yards/120 tons and the larger shovels fill them in one scoop. That would make four tons a small fraction of one scoop.
I feel so sorry for him, because he has truly lost his mind........He's still trying to live up to his daddy's expectations of him becoming president. And this, Algore of today, is the result. He really needs psychiatric help.......
Albert the oGre!
God bless Alberta. Some of the best folks on Earth reside there.
There is an obvious net energy gain, and there should be no problem with it. The energy balance is something like 1 barrel of oil equivalent is needed to create 3 barrels from the tar sands... the real issue is the cost, and right now the costs are favorable:
http://www.economist.com/science/displaystory.cfm?story_id=1875182
"Undaunted, energy companies have ploughed billions of dollars into bringing down the cost of producing oil from tar sands. This has dropped from about $30 a barrel three decades ago to less than $12 a barrel at the latest facility, which was officially opened by Royal Dutch/Shell and its partners on June 19th, and joins plants run by Suncor and Syncrude, two Canadian firms whose businesses are built around the tar sands."
http://www.eenews.net/specialreports/tarsands/sr_tarsands2.htm
Syncrude's massive oil production facility is the largest single source of crude oil in Canada. It produces 13 percent of the country's annual oil requirements. Its Mildred Lake operation abuts a massive extraction and upgrade facility that is in the final stages of an $8 billion expansion that will add equipment the company says will help reduce stack emissions of sulfur by 60 percent from today's levels of 245 metric tons a day.
Just south of Syncrude's plant is the company's first mining site. It is now reclaimed -- rolling hills of grass and trees that support a herd of buffalo. The site includes a pond used for mine tailings.
Restoration
Looking northwest, tailings ponds and reclaimed mine area southeast of the Syncrude plant. The land to the west of this site has been reclaimed to the point where it supports a herd of buffalo. Photo by Mary O'Driscoll.
Across Highway 63 is what appears to be a massive tidal flat with wet, light-brown sand that Syncrude spokesman Allan Reich said is another mine site in the process of being reclaimed. Officials said that it would take 12 to 15 years to turn the site into rolling, grass-covered hills.
"It's our obligation to return the land to its equivalent capability," Reich said.
http://randsco.com/index.php/2006/02/05/Roaring_Dinosaurs-Prosperous_Alberta
Can we put wind farms near Cape Cod?
Oh, right. Can block Teddie "the Swimmer" Kennedy's view.
"I don't know what he proposes the world run on, maybe hot air,” he told reporters on Tuesday."
Bwahahahaha...but you're right, RB, he needs help.
That would be 30 tons per cubic yard... That doesn't compute, unless it was lead. 60,000 pounds for a 3x3x3 ft. cube of dirt???
Gotta love the way Albertans get right to the point and don't mince words. LOL.
Oil is sold in barrels (42 gal/bbl). A drum is 55 gallons.
That's three tons per cubic yard.
Mr. Gore concluded that the United States must reduce its dependence on oil as the primary source of energy to save the planet from the devastating impact of global warming.
I just love this kind of crap. The US is so bad then why does he want to run it? How about India and China's burdon on the oil dependency? Answer that AlGore....
Don't forget that Armand Hammer "gifted" the Gore family a bout $1,000,000 in Occidental Petroleum.
Your right. Sand or gravel loose is 105 lbs / cubic foot or about 1.4175 tons per cubic yard. Since oil sand is "wet" with hydrocarbons it should weigh a little more (about 5 lbs per gallon). That would have the load at over 56 tons.
The 120 tons I was using is a gross maximum weight rating that includes the weight of the truck.
And they do also haul lead ore... ;^)
The peculiar thing about the whole CO2 issue is that the greenies consistently ignore the carbon dioxide produced by a person breathing all day long. The number is amazing -- something on the order of 2.5 times the amount of CO2 a 6 cylinder car puts out when driven for 50 miles a day.
But the greenies don't complain about the carbon emissions from people...
Yet.
Mr. Klein has stirred controversy in the past by rejecting scientific data suggesting industrial pollution is one of the leading causes of global warming.
He has even said global warming trends that occurred millions of years ago may have been caused by “dinosaur farts.”
Business-friendly and a hoot - he could substitute for Rush when Walter E. Williams is unavailable.
Imagine if there was a way to create a Dick Cheney - Ralph Klein ticket in 2008? Man, liberals would explode!!
I had seen films of those monsters, but didn't know they were in use in Alberta. The films I saw I think were at coal mines.
I'm familar with the 20 something yard (wanna say 27) model that is used for most earthwork on construction jobs. The 40 yard models were the largest I remember being able to be moved in without extensive site assmbly.
The big ones like that, IIRC, take something like 40 or more haul trucks to get on site and then have to be assembled including welding the bed together.
Would have never guessed they moved 400 tons...
LoL! I didn't get much sleep the last two nights and I hadn't had any caffiene at the time I posted that. The mathematic part of my brain is functioning at diminished capacity today.
ROTFLOL! I love it.
That silly Gore making a fool of himself. He thinks he's doing great, though.
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