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Giuliani's Convictions Could Win Over Republicans
DMN/ vis Real Clear Politics ^ | July 7, 2006 | Mark Davis

Posted on 07/07/2006 7:32:14 AM PDT by chiller

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To: Sabramerican
If I could built a perfect candidate I might not choose Giuliani. In the real world, with his accomplishments, no one comes close to him.

This is where you are absolutely wrong. A presidential campaign is the wrong place for us to learn that being the mayor of a major U.S. city in the Northeast -- and a hotbed of radical Marxism in the U.S. if there ever was one -- does absolutely nothing to prepare someone to be a credible candidate on a national level. Showing great leadership in cleaning up New York City is sort of like being able to stand up and make a credible claim that you are the best plumber in the history of mankind. Everyone wants to have you around, but only when the toilets are overflowing and there are "chocolate bars" floating around in the basement.

This entire discussion is academic, since Giuliani has no intention of running in 2008. I suspect a lot of folks here are going to be very disappointed when they finally figure out that this whole charade was nothing more than a self-promoting racket on his part.

161 posted on 07/07/2006 9:39:23 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Jameison; Liz
Hope you have plenty of crow prepared for 2008. :)

Saved for future ref.
(Pass Jameison a fork, Liz. He'll be needing it)

162 posted on 07/07/2006 9:40:22 AM PDT by jla
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To: chiller

No.

Never.

Not in a pig's eye.

Forget it.

Get over it.

This phoney, anti-gun, pro-gay, liberal northeastern pseudo-Republican will NEVER be elected Presdient - unless he changes parties and runs as a Democrat. THEN, he might have a chance since he IS as much a Democrat as that OTHER phoney "Republican" Mike Bloomburg.


163 posted on 07/07/2006 9:41:13 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: gondramB; You Dirty Rats
George Allen was a governor before he ran for the U.S. Senate. Virginia has a very restrictive term limits law that prohibits anyone from serving more than ONE consecutive term.
164 posted on 07/07/2006 9:41:46 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Alberta's Child
...Mark Warner wins a historic landslide against Rudy Giuliani...as more conservative.

In that race, Warner carries 1 state...his own, maybe.

165 posted on 07/07/2006 9:41:51 AM PDT by chiller (every time we call MSM "mainstream" we confirm their status. "Drive-by" is working nicely.)
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To: Alberta's Child
"I agree with you 100%. Imagine the irony of a 2008 presidential election in which a Democrat like Mark Warner wins a historic landslide against Rudy Giuliani by mounting a very credible campaign as the more conservative candidate!"

Umm..is this the same Mark Warner who is currently busy sucking up to KOSack?

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2006/06/kos_-_armstrong_blogola_scandal/

Seems to me he is headed for loony left Kingdom here.
166 posted on 07/07/2006 9:42:26 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: Jameison

I agree with you. If it does come down to him, we'll finally see how much power the Religious Right really does have in the Party. It's amazing to me that there are those here who would rather Hillary win than Rudy.


167 posted on 07/07/2006 9:42:36 AM PDT by Hildy
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To: Alberta's Child

If he doesn't run, he doesn't run. It will be the Nation's loss.

I expect if he doesn't run, there will be more disappointment here then even you currently imagine.

Particularly on a January day in 2009, when a Democrat is sworn...and later.


168 posted on 07/07/2006 9:44:09 AM PDT by Sabramerican (Rice is Harriet Miers at State.)
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To: gondramB

No state is more purple than Ohio, but Taft couldn't get elected dog catcher and if Blackwell wins he will be too new to be a candidate.

If there's someone out there that fits the bill, speak up! Otherwise it will very likely come down to Rudy v. McCain which is not exactly a broad set of choices IMHO.


169 posted on 07/07/2006 9:44:14 AM PDT by You Dirty Rats (I Love Free Republic!!!)
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To: Liz
Thing is Rudy actually believes he is that popular (snicker), another indication he is pathetically in denial.

Rudy is not in denial I believe you are - PROOF IS IN THE POLLS! Southern, Mid West and the NorthEast - whereever there is a poll Rudy comes out on top. And this has been going on for more than a year now. If he keeps this momentum you will be snickering at Rudy's Presidential Inauguration! The so-called conservatives that are thrown around as good candidate like Allen can't even poll out of the single digits.

170 posted on 07/07/2006 9:44:46 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicans Are Like Diapers - Both Need To Be Changed Often And For the Same Reason!)
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To: Alberta's Child

"George Allen was a governor before he ran for the U.S. Senate. Virginia has a very restrictive term limits law that prohibits anyone from serving more than ONE consecutive term."

Yep, appointed to the House, elected Governor and the Senate - then made National Republican Senatorial Committee chair in his first term - pretty impressive.


171 posted on 07/07/2006 9:45:07 AM PDT by gondramB (Unity of freedom has never relied upon uniformity of opinion.)
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To: Jameison
"The ONLY reason Bush is president is because he conned the conservatives
into believing he was one of them."

"What you should be doing, is asking yourself what you are smoking."

If Bush had been perceived to be the moderate globalist that he is,
many conservatives would have stayed home.

In case you don't know it, Bush beat Gore by the skin of his teeth.
Without Christian conservatives, and I mean true conservatives,
coming out in droves for Bush, Gore would have won easily.
As it was he won the popular vote.
In case you are unaware of that also.

172 posted on 07/07/2006 9:45:36 AM PDT by trickyricky
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To: Alberta's Child

I stand corrected on Allen.

Hey, if Allen can get traction and win the nomination, more power to him. I just think he starts off behind Rudy in several practical areas like name recognition and ability to raise money.


173 posted on 07/07/2006 9:46:43 AM PDT by You Dirty Rats (I Love Free Republic!!!)
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To: You Dirty Rats

>>If there's someone out there that fits the bill, speak up! Otherwise it will very likely come down to Rudy v. McCain which is not exactly a broad set of choices IMHO.<<

Unfortunately its easier to point out weaknesses of the current candidates than to find an unassailable candidate.


174 posted on 07/07/2006 9:46:43 AM PDT by gondramB (Unity of freedom has never relied upon uniformity of opinion.)
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To: jla

Example of Rudy's "leadership" (sarcasm).

Mayor Rudy hired Bill Bratton as NYC Police Commissioner. Bratton proceeded to clean up the city and reduced crime. In the process, Bratton became a media darling, and all the beautiful people were lionizing him. That's when paranoid Rudy fired him, and drove him out of the limelight in an unconscionable, needless bloodbath. Bratton was shell-shocked at the depths of Rudy's duplicity.

Nobody but Rudy is allowed to get credit for anything. God only knows what he'd do with presidential power.

Power-obsessed Rudy always does what's in Rudy's best interests as when RINO Rudy endorsed and campaigned for liberal Democrab Mario Cuomo for Governor b/c Rudy wanted a Dim in Albany to further his own ambitions to be governor.


Rudy has little or no credibility, and certainly no principles.


175 posted on 07/07/2006 9:46:48 AM PDT by Liz (The US Constitution is intended to protect the people from the government.)
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To: Hildy
Allen doesn't have the name recognition...

By election day he will. I'd say that right now he is as well known as GWB when the latter was gov. of Texas.

And I do care about Christian values...but it's not the most important thing to me in a President. And that's me being honest.

What I implied. And I appreciate your honesty. It's why you are a favorite of mine here despite our differences.

176 posted on 07/07/2006 9:47:25 AM PDT by jla
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To: Alberta's Child
"mayor of a major U.S. city in the Northeast -- and a hotbed of radical Marxism in the U.S. if there ever was one"

Take a DEEP breadth.
"Hotbed of Marxism"?
There is no place on the planet where the people practice capitalism like New York.
Its part of the very air we breathe here.
You don't know what you are talking about.


"Showing great leadership in cleaning up New York City is sort of like being able to stand up and make a credible claim that you are the best plumber in the history of mankind."

New York City is one of the toughest places to govern on the planet.
If you can govern effectively here, you can govern anywhere.



"This entire discussion is academic, since Giuliani has no intention of running in 2008"

Rudy will run.
Sorry.
177 posted on 07/07/2006 9:49:37 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: trickyricky

>>If Bush had been perceived to be the moderate globalist that he is,
many conservatives would have stayed home.<<

I'm not convinced of that - a vote in the middle is worth two votes on the edge because the vote in the middle also takes away a vote from the opponant.


178 posted on 07/07/2006 9:51:39 AM PDT by gondramB (Unity of freedom has never relied upon uniformity of opinion.)
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To: Hildy
It's amazing to me that there are those here who would rather Hillary win than Rudy.

Hildy, that is not true and you know it. None of us "would rather Hillary win", but we will not be led to vote against our consciences, morals and ethics.
How about if I would say, "it's amazing that the G.O.P. would nominate Rudy, knowing full well millions of people will never vote for him, thus assuring Hillary a victory".

And do not doubt, not for even a second, how prolific and influential the Christian Right are.

179 posted on 07/07/2006 9:52:42 AM PDT by jla
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To: Beagle8U
"George Allen is conservative and is electable, in both the primaries and the general."

Great! I hope he can get the elites behind him.
Maybe he can convince them he's a globalist?

180 posted on 07/07/2006 9:52:52 AM PDT by trickyricky
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