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Psychiatrist Warned Yates Against Having 5th Baby
CBS2CHICAGO ^ | 07 JULY 2006 | AP

Posted on 07/07/2006 6:26:30 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist

(AP) HOUSTON A psychiatrist testified Friday that she warned Andrea Yates not to have any more children after she tried to commit suicide twice within months of having her fourth child in 1999.

"I could pretty much predict that Mrs. Yates would have another episode of psychosis," Dr. Eileen Starbranch told jurors in Yates' second murder retrial.

Starbranch said Yates suffered from postpartum psychosis, which she said causes a mother to have delusions and lose touch with reality, making it much more severe than postpartum depression.

Yates drowned her five young children in a bathtub in June 2001, 6 months after the birth of her fifth child, Mary. She is being tried again because an appeals court overturned her 2002 murder conviction based on erroneous testimony that might have influenced the jury. She has again pleaded innocent by reason of insanity.

Yates' attorneys have never disputed she killed the youngsters but say she didn't know that the drownings were wrong.

Prosecutors say Yates may be mentally ill but does not meet the state's definition of insanity.

They say Yates planned to drown the children when she was alone with them, after her husband went to work and before her mother-in-law arrived. Then Yates called 911 and later told a detective she killed them because she was a bad mother and wanted to be punished, according to witnesses.

Along with Mary, Yates drowned 2-year-old Luke, 3-year-old Paul, 5-year-old John and 7-year-old Noah.

Starbranch said she treated Yates after she tried to kill herself by overdosing on sleeping pills in June 1999.

About a month later, Starbranch said, Yates' then-husband, Rusty, told her that Yates had held a knife to her own throat the previous day.

Starbranch said Yates had a bald spot on her head from scratching it, had not been taking her antipsychotic medication, had filthy hair and could not function. Starbranch said she sent the couple immediately to a mental hospital so Andrea Yates could be admitted.

Under cross-examination, Starbranch acknowledged that the words "filthy" and "catatonic" were not in her notes and said that Yates' nervousness and anxiety may have been a sign that she simply did not want to be at a psychiatrist's office. But Starbranch maintained that Yates was psychotic and not lethargic or exhausted from caring for four young children.

Over the next two weeks or so while hospitalized, Yates steadily improved while on antipsychotic drugs, Starbranch said.

But then in March 2001, Rusty Yates called Starbranch's office trying to make an appointment, saying his wife was getting worse since having the couple's fifth child in November, Starbranch testified.

"I knew that was a very ominous sign ... that lives were at stake, so I asked that she be brought in immediately," Starbranch said.

The couple never showed up, but Starbranch later learned that Yates was admitted to another mental hospital, the psychiatrist testified.

Yates, being tried in only three of the children's deaths, will be sentenced to life in prison if convicted. After the first jury rejected execution, prosecutors could not seek the death penalty again because they found no new evidence.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: children; crazywench; insanity; richardpryor; yates
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1 posted on 07/07/2006 6:26:32 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Unfit to live -crazy or not.


2 posted on 07/07/2006 6:34:00 PM PDT by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

It pi$$es me off to no end, that we have to go through this again. Give the b!tch a razorblade and put her in a room with a drain.


3 posted on 07/07/2006 6:36:27 PM PDT by digger48
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To: sgtbono2002
Unfit to live -crazy or not.

I find myself feeling more pity than hate. She was obviously profoundly disturbed.

4 posted on 07/07/2006 6:36:44 PM PDT by Zeroisanumber (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Zeroisanumber

Try pitying her poor dead children who she held under water and drowned while they were kicking and screaming.


5 posted on 07/07/2006 6:47:54 PM PDT by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: sgtbono2002
Try pitying her poor dead children who she held under water and drowned while they were kicking and screaming.

I do pity them. However, their mother killed them because of her illness rather than out of malice, so I feel pity for her too.

6 posted on 07/07/2006 6:55:06 PM PDT by Zeroisanumber (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Zeroisanumber

Yeah, we should have compassion for folks who drown children. The poor woman.


7 posted on 07/07/2006 6:56:34 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (What you know about that?)
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To: sgtbono2002

Since her husband knew her situation and knocked her up for the 5th time, he is an accomplice to the crime.


8 posted on 07/07/2006 6:59:23 PM PDT by SoCalPol (.We Need a Border Fence Now.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Yeah, we should have compassion for folks who drown children. The poor woman.

I have compassion for the insane, as Andrea Yates clearly is.

9 posted on 07/07/2006 7:00:28 PM PDT by Zeroisanumber (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Zeroisanumber
I have compassion for the insane, as Andrea Yates clearly is.

I'm inclined to agree with you but neither of us will find much agreement here. If killing ones children isn't a very definition of insanity, I don't know what is.

10 posted on 07/07/2006 7:10:20 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Graybeard58

This case is stomach-churning, no doubt. And why on the Earth the husband impregnated her for a 5th time is baffling. I guess denial ain't just a river.


11 posted on 07/07/2006 7:12:27 PM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: Graybeard58
If killing ones children isn't a very definition of insanity, I don't know what is.

A decent prosecutor would remind you that the words 'premeditated' and 'aforethought' belong in the mix before one simply declares her insane....from the little I know of the case, these are salient points.

12 posted on 07/07/2006 7:13:02 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (Meep Meep)
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To: Graybeard58

"If killing ones children isn't a very definition of insanity, I don't know what is."

What a ridiculous statement. Many angry, frustrated parents have shaken their children to death. That's insanity? No, it's lack of patience.


13 posted on 07/07/2006 7:15:16 PM PDT by jdm
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
This psychiatrist may have been right about Adrea Yates but I think she would like veto power over which people are allowed to have children.

I had no sympathy whatsoever for Adrea Yates before this testimony. I thought she deserved the death penalty for the viciously killing her children. She also deserves the death penalty for indirectly attacking other parents.
14 posted on 07/07/2006 7:16:21 PM PDT by after dark (I love hateful people. They help me unload karmic debt.)
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To: jdm
What a ridiculous statement. Many angry, frustrated parents have shaken their children to death.

5 of them at the same time?

Who's being ridiculous?

15 posted on 07/07/2006 7:18:43 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: truthkeeper

Not having had any children, I can’t speak directly about post-partum depression but I did have infertility treatments that included several months of birth control pills – hormones (to regulate and balance my cycle) followed by infertility drugs – more hormones. Hormones have powerful effects both physically and mentally.

During treatment, one day my husband came home and I very calmly told him I felt like destroying something, breaking dishes or punching a hole in the wall then I told him I felt like killing something, a bug, a mouse, something, anything….think PMS on steroids.

I truly did not feel like myself. I wasn’t angry at any person or at any one thing but everything in general and nothing at all – I just felt like destroying something. I felt some kind of unspecific, undirected rage that I never felt before or since - thank goodness. It passed but it scared the hell out of both of us.

If I’d acted out in any manner, I should have been held accountable as Andrea Yates should be – nothing is an ascuse for what she did to her children but to a much lesser extent, I can understand the loss of reason and control.

But like you, I’d like to know the husband’s contribution, role and accountability for this. He knew her problems after the 4th child and yet impregnated her a 5th time (bad judgment on his part) and then didn’t even see fit to supervisor her, not leave her alone with the children or follow up to make sure she got the help she needed knowing her history of suicide attempts and depression. Perhaps he is not accountable for the murders but he is at least guilty of being oblivious to the obvious.


16 posted on 07/07/2006 7:21:53 PM PDT by Caramelgal (There can be no happiness if the things we believe in are different from the things we do.)
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To: Graybeard58

She's crazy as an crap house rat. Unfortunately, our legal system doesn't deal with crazy folks very well nor does society, since she was still allowed to run around nutty until she did something heinous.


17 posted on 07/07/2006 7:27:47 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: Graybeard58

If a man had done what Adrea Yates did ,you would want him to die painfully.


18 posted on 07/07/2006 7:31:53 PM PDT by after dark (I love hateful people. They help me unload karmic debt.)
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To: Caramelgal
I tend to agree with you. I've experienced ppd myself (feelings of deep and desperate sadness), but still agree that the woman must be held accountable for her actions, out-of-control hormones and all.

As for the husband, I don't know what to say. The term "clueless" seems appropriate.

19 posted on 07/07/2006 7:32:17 PM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: Graybeard58
"5 of them at the same time? Who's being ridiculous?"

The murders were sequential; not concurrent.

She was chasing them down, one by one. And drowning them one by one.

That takes time to accomplish.

It's not like going berserk for a few seconds, on one single person.
20 posted on 07/07/2006 7:32:20 PM PDT by jdm
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