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Psychiatrist Warned Yates Against Having 5th Baby
CBS2CHICAGO ^ | 07 JULY 2006 | AP

Posted on 07/07/2006 6:26:30 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist

(AP) HOUSTON A psychiatrist testified Friday that she warned Andrea Yates not to have any more children after she tried to commit suicide twice within months of having her fourth child in 1999.

"I could pretty much predict that Mrs. Yates would have another episode of psychosis," Dr. Eileen Starbranch told jurors in Yates' second murder retrial.

Starbranch said Yates suffered from postpartum psychosis, which she said causes a mother to have delusions and lose touch with reality, making it much more severe than postpartum depression.

Yates drowned her five young children in a bathtub in June 2001, 6 months after the birth of her fifth child, Mary. She is being tried again because an appeals court overturned her 2002 murder conviction based on erroneous testimony that might have influenced the jury. She has again pleaded innocent by reason of insanity.

Yates' attorneys have never disputed she killed the youngsters but say she didn't know that the drownings were wrong.

Prosecutors say Yates may be mentally ill but does not meet the state's definition of insanity.

They say Yates planned to drown the children when she was alone with them, after her husband went to work and before her mother-in-law arrived. Then Yates called 911 and later told a detective she killed them because she was a bad mother and wanted to be punished, according to witnesses.

Along with Mary, Yates drowned 2-year-old Luke, 3-year-old Paul, 5-year-old John and 7-year-old Noah.

Starbranch said she treated Yates after she tried to kill herself by overdosing on sleeping pills in June 1999.

About a month later, Starbranch said, Yates' then-husband, Rusty, told her that Yates had held a knife to her own throat the previous day.

Starbranch said Yates had a bald spot on her head from scratching it, had not been taking her antipsychotic medication, had filthy hair and could not function. Starbranch said she sent the couple immediately to a mental hospital so Andrea Yates could be admitted.

Under cross-examination, Starbranch acknowledged that the words "filthy" and "catatonic" were not in her notes and said that Yates' nervousness and anxiety may have been a sign that she simply did not want to be at a psychiatrist's office. But Starbranch maintained that Yates was psychotic and not lethargic or exhausted from caring for four young children.

Over the next two weeks or so while hospitalized, Yates steadily improved while on antipsychotic drugs, Starbranch said.

But then in March 2001, Rusty Yates called Starbranch's office trying to make an appointment, saying his wife was getting worse since having the couple's fifth child in November, Starbranch testified.

"I knew that was a very ominous sign ... that lives were at stake, so I asked that she be brought in immediately," Starbranch said.

The couple never showed up, but Starbranch later learned that Yates was admitted to another mental hospital, the psychiatrist testified.

Yates, being tried in only three of the children's deaths, will be sentenced to life in prison if convicted. After the first jury rejected execution, prosecutors could not seek the death penalty again because they found no new evidence.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: children; crazywench; insanity; richardpryor; yates
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To: sinkspur
The guy is a weirdo. His perverted Christianity screwed up his wife's head and got every single one of his children killed. Kinda like the woman in Dallas who cut off her daughter's arms because some preacher told her the girl was full of the devil.

{sarcasm on} Ah right, the guy did it.

He must have been telepathically controlling his wife's thoughts from work. Ah right, the preacher did it.

{sarcasm off}

As for the other case, the lady had a brain tumor. It had nothing to do with the preacher.

141 posted on 07/08/2006 7:13:49 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad
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To: Caramelgal
I felt like destroying something, breaking dishes or punching a hole in the wall then I told him I felt like killing something, a bug, a mouse, something, anything….think PMS on steroids.

Many people feel that way about many things-- a rotten boss, getting off drugs, alcohol, and cigarettes, talking to liberals. Actually killing is a different thing altogether.

I had the urge to kill (from parenting teenagers) and asked my husband to take me to a shoot-em-up war movie. By the end of it all of my anger had dissipated.

142 posted on 07/08/2006 7:15:15 PM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: marajade
No. But you know women are to suffer in silence.

Oh really - and when in this world have women ever suffered in silence?

143 posted on 07/08/2006 7:15:45 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad
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To: Pikachu_Dad
As for the other case, the lady had a brain tumor. It had nothing to do with the preacher.

Many people have brain tumors and don't cut the arms off their children.

Are you sticking up for goofy preachers now? Mentally ill people are affected by other mentally ill people, and that includes mentally ill preachers.

144 posted on 07/08/2006 7:16:20 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: jamaly
drive many people over the edge even without the hormonal changes caused by pregnancy.

Pregnancy hormones are not usually experienced as negative. Many if not most women enjoy that nesting feeling.

145 posted on 07/08/2006 7:18:25 PM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: Amelia
Is that all it's about from your point of view? A man being able to get sex and impregnate his wife?

Boy, you sure are fixated on that line of thinking.

This is about that woman murdering her kids; in cold blood; in a planned and premediated manner.

It has nothing to do with her having sex.

146 posted on 07/08/2006 7:18:52 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad
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To: Pikachu_Dad

Sorry. OT another thread.


147 posted on 07/08/2006 7:19:24 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: after dark

Russell Yates did. I believe both him and Andrea worshipped at a local Church of Christ.


148 posted on 07/08/2006 7:21:44 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: sinkspur
Are you sticking up for goofy preachers now? Mentally ill people are affected by other mentally ill people, and that includes mentally ill preachers.

No, I am sticking up for people being responsible for and held accountable for their own actions !

I don't subscribe to your liberal theories;

that the 'twinkie' made me do it; the preacher made me do it; the husband made me do it; the crying kids made me do it; That is all rubbish.

149 posted on 07/08/2006 7:22:07 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad
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To: sinkspur
A brain tumor was a factor in one of the worst mass murders in Texas. The Austin sniper ( I forget his name) had a brain tumor. A psychiatrist is medical doctor. They should check for brain tumors before they put people on antidepressants especially when there is a history of brain abnormalities as in the case of the woman who cut off her babies arms.
150 posted on 07/08/2006 7:23:20 PM PDT by after dark (I love hateful people. They help me unload karmic debt.)
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To: Pikachu_Dad; sinkspur; Amelia

Actually a woman submitting to her husband as head of the church as christ is head is a very conservative belief.


151 posted on 07/08/2006 7:24:07 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: Pikachu_Dad
This is about that woman murdering her kids; in cold blood; in a planned and premediated manner. It has nothing to do with her having sex.

It has a lot to do with a supposedly sane man leaving 5 small children in the care of a woman he knew was psychotic, however.

152 posted on 07/08/2006 7:25:44 PM PDT by Amelia (If we hire them, they will come.)
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To: Pikachu_Dad
No, I am sticking up for people being responsible for and held accountable for their own actions !

Oh, Yates will be held accountable for her actions and should be. But for her husband to not recognize that she was a fruitcake and to spare her further pregnancies is just selfishness on his part and disregard for her well-being.

Andrea Yates should spend the rest of her life in prison or in a nut house, and Rusty should spend the rest of his doing penance for his lack of concern for his wife and children.

153 posted on 07/08/2006 7:26:03 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: marajade
Actually a woman submitting to her husband as head of the church as christ is head is a very conservative belief.

You forgot the second part of Paul's admonition: husbands should love their wives as Christ loves the Church.

There is no love in sexual selfishness, especially when the life of a wife and children may be at stake.

154 posted on 07/08/2006 7:28:31 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: Pikachu_Dad
Personal attacks aside -- and yes, I AM a republican, sorry to break your mold -- I believe Rusty was pretty darn negligent in his responsibilities not only to Andrea but to his other children.

She was clearly slipping down a long hole, she had past history of PPD at the very least....does a loving spouse ignore those warning signs? Was he away from home so much, or so distant that he couldn't see her pain?

She murdered er children, she deserves to be punished for her actions -- but doesn't he share some of the responsibility, as well?

155 posted on 07/08/2006 7:28:33 PM PDT by Malacoda (The Posting Police need an enema.)
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To: marajade
Andrea Yates was raised Catholic. She converted for Russell Yates. Those two had nothing in common. Russell comes from a small, homogeneous town in the deep south. Andrea Yates was raised in multi ethnic Houston. Andrea's mother is a German.
156 posted on 07/08/2006 7:28:37 PM PDT by after dark (I love hateful people. They help me unload karmic debt.)
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To: sinkspur

Will she now.

There are sure a lot of people on here trying to get her off and excuse her behavior.


157 posted on 07/08/2006 7:29:57 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad
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To: after dark

One doesn't leave the Catholic Church and convert to a Church of Christ.


158 posted on 07/08/2006 7:31:16 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: sinkspur

Hear Hear! I agree with you wholeheartedly.


159 posted on 07/08/2006 7:32:23 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: Pikachu_Dad
There are sure a lot of people on here trying to get her off and excuse her behavior.

I don't see that. What I see are people who recognize that she may have been insane or severely mentally deficient when she killed those kids.

It really doesn't matter whether she's put in prison for the rest of her life or in Rusk. She's in a mental prison and will likely be there as long as she's alive.

160 posted on 07/08/2006 7:33:21 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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