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To: axes_of_weezles
Read and apologize.

Apologize for what? Asking someone to show why we shouldn't believe the ABC report?

You have to admit, your "evidence" is not that convincing when your article admits that the fence that has been built so far is not the one that is advertised, and "...it is not just the group’s rivals who are skeptical of the fence plan."

Wanna try again?

640 posted on 07/08/2006 4:54:00 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: Amelia
"Read and apologize.

Apologize for what? Asking someone to show why we shouldn't believe the ABC report?

You have to admit, your "evidence" is not that convincing when your article admits that the fence that has been built so far is not the one that is advertised, and "...it is not just the group’s rivals who are skeptical of the fence plan."

Wanna try again?"

Well beleive what you wish. I dont beleive a non-local ABC station from Phoenix. Tucson is much closer and it has not made media reports here. The SV Herald was probably reporting after reading the posted threads here. There are a substantial amount of Freepers in Sierra Vista and Tucson.

Here is a quote from Tammy8

"This is what locals (ranchers and others that live in the area) told me: Rancher Ladd was in total support of the Minutemen and had been helping them in many ways, Ladd agreed to be the first ranch for the new border fence. When the fence design was completed, Ladd was still in support. Initially there was an outcry against a fence of that type from the media and even some locals (OBL) Ladd ran backwards and said he had not agreed to a fence of that type on his ranch, he had only agreed to a fence. As I understand it this happened at the 11th hour so the MM built the fence to please Ladd as he had been a great supporter. Ladd just got cold feet in the face of the fallout and MM tried to appease him.

If that is what happened, I think they probably should have moved on to the next ranch and told Ladd that the designed border security fence was the only one they would build- but they chose not to do that. I don't think they intended to fraud anyone and I have heard there are plans to "beef" up the fence built on the Ladd ranch at a later point."

So, you can call Simcox a fraudster all you want and quote from SPLC and competing organizations, it still will not convince me. The donations are going to a 502(c)(4) organization that has to report to the IRS and has limits on what officials can take for their duties. Simcox's organization has posted email addresses and phone numbers, why dont you call and ask instead of posting unsubstantiated opinions on a public forum? Why dont you call the organization and ask? All the MM organizations have had procotlogical examinations from the ACLU, Open Borders Organizations, Local and National Press Organizations and individuals. People whining they did not get situational awareness of events and porta-Potties when they wanted them sounds to me like sour grapes.

Your insistence on a higher standard for the MM than the National Republican organizations who hire Muslims, attend racist LaRaza events and slime anyone who insists on enforcement of existing laws and borders is frankly quite pitiful. Your and others posting your psychological projections of racism and fraud does not apply to organizations you wish to be allied with, yet you dont demand instant accounting of all funds from them - even when they are allied and take monies from Soros and businesses that do not have the best interests of citizens at heart.

The information is out there, you just have to look and ask; it's no secret.

I have to live and deal with daily reports of what the illegals do criminally and have to pay for their medical and imprisonment costs because existing immmigration laws are not enforced.

If you want to whine because some volunteers are not doing exactly what you wish; consider the source of the information you are getting, try and find the information you need and dont slime them because they dont respond immediately to a 4 month old partial report from 4 months ago.

The article from the SV Herald fully backs up what I was saying. It's sour grapes from competing organizations. This organization does not release press releases to every moonbat leftist or rightist allegation and they dont have to. If you are worried about fraud, call the AZ attorney general or the IRS, or call or email the organization yourself and find the information out.

You are too quick to assing malicious motivation to a conservative border organization which runs on volunteers and donations, doing something the FEDGOV should have been doing for the last 20 Years. If it pisses you off that is what they intend.


662 posted on 07/09/2006 12:59:22 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles
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