Posted on 07/07/2006 9:52:25 PM PDT by churchillbuff
Racial discrimination has nothing to do with what's no less than an education meltdown within the black community. Where black education is the very worst, often the city mayor is black, city council dominated by blacks, and often the school superintendent is black, as well as most of the principals and teachers, and Democrats have run the cities for decades. I'm not saying there's a causal connection, just that one would be hard put to chalk up the rotten education to racial discrimination.
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No one can solve the educational problems that black people confront except black people themselves. First, it's foolhardy, and black people cannot afford to buy into the idea that no black child should be saved from the education morass until all black children can be saved. That means we must find a way to permit the escape from rotten schools for as many black children who want to be educated and have supportive parents as we can. Educational vouchers or tuition tax credits would provide such a mechanism.
At one time in black history, there was a high value placed on education, so much so that blacks risked punishment to acquire education in areas of our country where black education was prohibited. Being 70 years old, I know there was a time when schools and black parents cooperated with one another to see to it that children behaved in school and did their work. In principle, the solution to black education problems is not rocket science. The problem is summoning the will.
(Excerpt) Read more at jewishworldreview.com ...
Ms. Rice is a perfect example of what an education can do.
Williams and Marva Collins know what to do about the problem...
The students! Generally when I underachieve at something it tends to be MY fault. I don't go looking for someone ELSE to blame it on......
The ever candid and effective Mr. Williams, once again, is right on the mark!!! Bottom line is: Current black leadership & the Democrat Party = Education that stinks!!! Wonder if Black folk will ever wake up and dump these economic slavemasters!!!
The only ones to blame for the low achievement levels of black students are their black parents.
Without people accepting victimization, the black leadership and the Democratic party would cease to exist.
Thank Lyndon Johnson and the Great Society.
Speak truth to power, Brother Walter!
How 'bout the stoodentz?
The parents are part of the issue. They're to guide their children, lead by good example, and discipline their children when necessary.
Very true.
I have to say you are wrong. Ms. Rice was nearly a child prodigy.
Ok, Ms. Rice would have done well no matter what. But what about the kids who are not child prodigies ?
How about this from http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2092-1367314,00.html
Frankly, she sounds like Tiger Woods.
To confirm their notion that their daughter was gifted the Rices took her to Southern University in Baton Rouge for psychological testing. Angelena told the family: “I knew my baby was a genius!”
By age four Condi had mastered a handful of pieces and given her first recital. She spent more time indoors — practising the piano and French — than most of the other girls on the block. Two who lived across the street remembered “waiting for what seemed like hours for her to finish her latest Beethoven or Mozart and come outside”.
When she did come out to play, it wasn’t usually for long. “She played with her parents,” recalled Ann Downing, a neighbour.
By the time she began school at six Condi was already a serious music student and more ready to get down to business than most of her classmates. She was accustomed to paying attention, behaving well and keeping an orderly routine. Some of her schoolmates took this maturity and perfectionism, as well as her dainty manners and habit of walking nearly on her tiptoes, as a sign of being prissy. But Condi got bored in situations where time was being wasted.
In her spare time she tackled the best literature for her age group. One of the downsides was that books were always an assignment, never an escape. “I grew up in a family in which my parents put me into every book club,” she said. “So I never developed the fine art of recreational reading.”
answer: g w bush and his evil weepublican wascals
"IMAGINE the scene: it is 1867 on a cotton plantation in civil war-era Alabama."
What the hell is this?
Unless you realize that Democratic policies are inherently racist...
The soft bigotry of low expectations.
Yes, both of these people sure do!
Williams is a moron.
He wouldn't have a job without his racist screeds.
The blame for poor black education falls squarely on black culture, of which Williams is but one failed part.
"IMAGINE the scene: it is 1867 on a cotton plantation in civil war-era Alabama."
What the hell is this?
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Amazing, all this time I thought the war ended in 1865.
I applaud our President for his courage to demand testing and accountability for our poorest children.
It won't change overnight but it MUST be changed.
Thanks to Kennedy we didn't get vouchers, but we got started towards a better education for the least of us.
Are you perhaps thinking of some other "Williams", and reacting to that person? If not, could you point out examples of Dr. Williams' alleged racism in the JWR article, or other specific areas? Thank you
I wish I had a viable solution, but suffice to say it would take many years of hard work and sacrifice, along with an attitude change towards family occuring at a cultural level that the left would devote all of their war machine in an effort to destroy.
/caffeine induced rant off
Yes, but some people find it so much easier to do that...and we can't be judgmental... /s
The Afrocentric, basketball, hiphop culture is superior. The village will provide everything that is needed with no input needed from schools. The only function of a blackmale is to provide sperm to reproduce the village. Effort beyond that is wasted.
I understand that in black familes where there is a father and a mother that black kids still do well. However, there may be something even in the culture of their middle class that works against achievement. They are generally insecure and unlike insecure Jews they are not spured by it so much as inhibited.
Chris Rock said it best.
"You know how dumb you got to be to get left back in the first grade.
'What's 4 + 4, Jell-O?' But that ain't his fault. That the momma fault.
That the momma f***ing fault. That's right. I said to my cousin Tina, talk
to your f***ing kid. Talk to him. Teach him some s**t. You know if you said
more words to him than "Mommy be back," he might know somethin'."
"The only ones to blame for the low achievement levels of black students are their black parents."
Only in part are they responsible, they the parents are doing exactly what they were taught. Further this is not just a 'black' problem of low levels of achievement, the educational system is rotten to the core.
We can get involved and make change happen. Consider getting active in your local school.
1 hour per week for 8 weeks teaching the kids how to be successful, and how money works will have an impact.
Anybody can do it.
That is not the whole answer. Children are not legally, morally or spiritually COMPLETELY responsible for their actions. At birth, their parents are completely responsible for them and transfer that responsibility slowly over the next 2 decades or so. Parents are the main culprits for grade schoolers, the students themselves are mainly responsible after that...
"Who'so blame"
Probably the single mother of six children and their fathers.
He wouldn't have a job without his racist screeds.
The blame for poor black education falls squarely on black culture, of which Williams is but one failed part.
You need to get out more...
Williams is black, but he is definitely NOT part of the failed culture...
Well, I was gonna say "Whitey," but I s`pose that'll do...
On a serious note, Dr. Williams is right about this. While I don't believe that the race of those running things has anything to do with whether or not a city and/or educational system fails, I can't help but wonder if the mental attitude that many of these "old line" liberals bring to the job does... What I mean is that if the people running things believe deep down inside that they're not reponsible for their position in life, and that there's nothing they can do about it, I wonder if that doesn't mean that they're going to perpetuate failure in the city or systems they run.
There's a belief that the reason that the Israelites were forced to wander the desert for 40 years after being set free from Egypt was to allow the generations with the "slave mentality" to die off, because they were incapable of freeing themselves metally, even though their bodies had been freed ("free your mind, and your ass will follow"). Between the incident with the golden calf, and the continued catterwalling about how Moses and The Lord had led them into the desert to be killed, and how they should have stayed slaves in nice Egypt, these were people who could not ever be truely free.
I wonder if it's not the same sort of thing in the Black community. Even though the opportunities are there, the current mainstream "Black Leadership" still has the "slave mentality," and consequently, everything they do perpetuates that mentality. I suppose that it doesn't really hurt that it helps keep them employed as well.
Mark
Wow! I wish I was 1/1000th the "moron" that Dr. William is!
Mark
Dr. Williams should have recanted his black appearance years ago and become white.
Isn't it obvious?
/white supremacist
I would prefer Dr. Williams would more directly condemn black culture, but he is certainly working in the right direction to be sure.
Do some research on Wilmer-Hutchins H.S. a suburb of Dallas, TX. It finally got so bad that the state shut it down.....today it is boarded up and the kids have been integrated into other Dallas High Schools....where for the most part the education system probably isn't much better.....
What is wrong with you ? You quote out of context so as to distort the original meaning. Quoting out of context is fine if you wish to achieve brevity but it is not if you mean to distort.
The full quote:
IMAGINE the scene: it is 1867 on a cotton plantation in civil war-era Alabama. Inside the master’s house, slaves search for places to hide the silver. Outside, they scramble to hide food. Triumphant Union soldiers are nearby, stealing everything in sight. Julia, the mixed-race daughter of the white plantation owner by one of his black slaves, rounds up the family’s horses, moving them to a hiding place that only she knows . . .
It could be the opening moments in a film version of the Condoleezza Rice story, introducing her great-grandmother Julia, a child born into slavery. Julia’s success in hiding the horses has been handed down in Rice family lore. So too has something else: a zeal for education.
one of walter williams greatest lines is the best way to fight poverty is to do whatever it takes to make sure your not poor.
Williams is part of MAINSTREAN CULTURE. Just because he's black, doesn't make him a part of the "black culture", which pushes the truly moronic idea that studying is white, that good grades is white, that to be cool, a black should be a stupid illiterate. And it isn't just POOR blacks, who take on this self defeating attitude; so do some upper middle class blacks and white boys, who want to be like gansta rappers.
And as for your mordantly stupid remark about Walter "not having a job without his racist screeds", I suggest that you actually do some research and find out what "job" Mr, Williams has and for how long! LOL
Isn't it obvious? /white supremacist
You're late to the show.
Uh, the point is there WAS NO civil war era in 1867, the war had already been over for two years. Get it?
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With the rise of Hispanic immigration, it's amazing how irrelevant black issues are becoming in the national dialogue. In another ten years, immigration and abortion are going to reduce Black Americans to a small niche group, like Greek Americans or Lebanese Americans. Not a large enough voting bloc that Washington is going to feel particularly compelled to make political concessions to them.
The plantation blacksmith (who had been taught to read and write and was lawfully married to his wife, never mind the Black Codes) led my gg grandfather's best saddle horse deep into a nearby swamp to save him from the Union marauders. He also helped my gg grandmother manage the plantation during the war (and ran his own blacksmithing business on the side, and by agreement kept a percentage of the profits). The families continued a close association for years, and his widow was an honored guest at my gg grandparents' golden wedding party in 1910.
This is not merely rose-colored recollections . . . I have contemporary letters and other documents (including the business agreement). Of course, gg grandfather was considered a particularly humane man. His own grouchy take on it was that "only a fool would not take good care of his property," but he was a softy at heart.
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