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To: gandalftb

What is sad is that so many folks are so easily duped. Anyone with any background whatever in geology would see those photos and recognize a shale outcropping. If I saw it, I'd be interested to know what fossils might be found in that shale, and whether there were small crystals of pyrite in it.

Yet, let some YEC website publish a photo of something that looks vaguely like wood, and so many people are so eager to accept that. It's amazing.

We're apparently failing, in our primary and secondary schools, to teach even the basics of geology.


165 posted on 07/08/2006 7:40:37 AM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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To: MineralMan

> We're apparently failing, in our primary and secondary schools, to teach even the basics of geology.

Oh, come now. You're simply not taking a sufficiently *expansive* view of geology and archeology. From the "BASE Institute" website:
http://www.baseinstitute.org/methodology.html
http://www.baseinstitute.org/answers.html

# We recognize the weakness of a “Premise + Proof” methodology.
# We recognize the strength of a “Possibilities + Problems” methodology.
# We recognize that the Bible is fully inspired (superintended by God) in its autographs (original writings), without error in all its details and in every subject to which it addresses itself.
# We believe the Bible to be the ultimate, best, and final word on all issues of biblical geography and history.
# We believe the Bible’s testimony to itself is the final judge of archaeology and archaeological conclusions – not vice-versa.


If that's not hard-core skepticism and a dogged determination to discover the facts no matter what, then I don't know what is.


181 posted on 07/08/2006 8:42:44 AM PDT by orionblamblam (I'm interested in science and preventing its corruption, so here I am.)
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To: MineralMan

Judging from the replies on this thread, we're failing to teach them much of anything.


188 posted on 07/08/2006 9:23:55 AM PDT by blowfish
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To: MineralMan
We are also failing to teach common sense. Yes, boats are made of wood, but log rafts don't make good zoos. All Coast Guard approved arks are required to be made of hewn wood that is sawed, squared, planed, and otherwise shaped in some way to fit together many pieces. The pieces would have a visible beginning and end and would show fasteners of some sort, nails, wooden pegs.

All of this would be visible in the remains.

It is hilarious that educated people can act so ignorantly.

However I would believe that it was Noah's Ark if there were better identification such as: a Liberian registration number, a Carnival Cruise brochure, a flag of any kind (including semaphore), the letters HMS NOAH inscribed anywhere, a recovered cannon, amphora bottles......

219 posted on 07/08/2006 11:48:46 AM PDT by gandalftb
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To: MineralMan
BTW, I am a Christian. The Bible is a wonderful assembly of books that contain stories, general and specific, intended to guide and inspire us with a faith in God.

I believe that God wants me to be wise enough to know that some words of man are fallible and need interpretation. Especially stories repeated by hearsay for thousands of years.

If those words are inconsistent with logic and cause me to doubt my faith in God then those words should be doubted instead, perhaps ignored, perhaps understood in the historical light of those who wrote them.

Even the ten commandments forbid me from stealing my neighbors ass, but say nothing about stealing his Lincoln Navigator. Oh well, I can't afford the gas anyway.

220 posted on 07/08/2006 12:05:22 PM PDT by gandalftb
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