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To: freedom44

This is why many intelligent people pass the entire bible off as mere children's fables, this noah's ark nonsense in particular. There is NO, repeat NO, evidence for a world wide flood 7000 years ago. If all animals, 2 x 2, left the ark, why are kangaroos found only in australia? And yet in the tale itself is found the small grain of truth of survival at sea : and the water prevailed upward 15 cubits(the height of noah's fruit trees-22 feet). The storm surge of a hurricane is just that, 20 ft......Thus, the true story : noah was a farmer/orchard type living in the Indus River region(today's Pakistan). He, his father, grandfather, had been flooded out before, the Indus River, unlike the Nile, floods irregularly. So he built a 3 layer LOG RAFT with goat skin tent on the high point of his land, 4.5 ft high, 8 ft wide, 45 ft long. Along comes a cat 4 or 5 hurricane(cyclone in them parts)with its FOUR days of rain and storm surge. Remember, this is 7000 years ago = different polar jet stream. Jews always play with decimals : 4 days become 40 days of rain......So all the critters head for the raft(dogs, cats, sheep, goats, snakes, doves....)as the water rises. It gets washed out to sea where, from his limited perspective, the earth is covered with water. The CCW gyre in the gulf of arabia eventually washes the raft back onto an outer sand bar and they have to wait for low tide to wade to the true shore. He goes back to life as before, most of the neighborhood having been wahed away in the CAMILLE hurricane.....Seven generations go by and his illiterate descendents are sitting around a campfire in iraq high on the local brew, where everyone is a GOD or son of GOD, macho myths abound. So, in telling fish stories this old family story gets jazzed up a bit. Survival at sea doesn't sound too impressive so the raft lands on top of Mt Ararat, if they had known about Mt Everest it would have landed there......Bump up dimensions by a decimal place. Bump up 4 days of rain to 40 days. The dove incident. A few surviving sheep, goats, dogs....becomes all the animals on the earth. On and on this fish story/myth gets built. One or more children buy it[You can convince a 5 year old of anything, a 95 year old of nothing-Marilyn Von Savant-IQ=230].....Another 7 generations go by and a young pakistani boy named ABRAM swallows the whole myth, hook, line and sinker. And that's how you get the noah story, a true tale of sea survival(a Reader's Digest book section) jazzed up by proto-jews into a myth...and IDIOTS finding noah's ark on Mt Ararat. The search for GOD is the search for truth, not ancient lies....


20 posted on 07/07/2006 10:39:24 PM PDT by timer
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To: timer

There isn't really evidence (outside of the Bible) of a flood that covered the WHOLE WORLD, including the tops of the Himalayas et al) under miles of water (nor is there enough water in the world to do it, unless the oceans were a LOT shallower than they are). But there certainly IS evidence of a lot of heavy flooding all over the world in the same time period, perhaps 10,000, perhaps 15,000 years ago.

There are whole cities underwater on the submerged plain that links Indonesia with Australia and the mainland.

The legends of the eastern woodland Indians include the tale of a great flood, particularly which broke open Long Island Sound and made it part of the ocean.

West coast Indians have similar stories.
Actually, there's a flood legend of one sort or other in all of the world, including the European legend of Atlantis.

Because there really was a flood.
Its source was more mundane, and the effects were not QUITE as dire as the drowning of the ENTIRE world, but they were pretty dire.
The waters never receded from this flood.
It's why the Siberian Land Bridge is still underwater.

The cause: global warming.
In the last ice age, a lot more of the Earth's water was in ice, and a lot more of the Earth was covered in great sheets of ice. Then the climate heated up and that ice melted. Not slowly. The Great Lakes are the inland remains of that ice sheet over America. But when the oceanic ice melted, it raised the level of the oceans. Probably not slowly.

Those were disastrous times. Weather pounding, coastal lands submerging, islands (like Britain), being sundered from the mainland. People used to live on those drowned continental shelves, and they are all around the world. Every culture has a distant myth, a memory in legend of its own Atlantis experience. Because when the Ice Age ended, men were there, and the oceans rose by hundreds of miles.

It probably didn't happen in 40 days, but it probably didn't happen over 4000 years either. Every coastal culture's legends remember "The Flood", or "A Flood", back at the dawn of time. The Mesopotamian culture of Sumeria, whence Abraham came, remembered it too. "Eden" is at the bottom of the Persian Gulf.


25 posted on 07/07/2006 11:02:50 PM PDT by Vicomte13 (Paris vaut bien une messe.)
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To: timer
Seven generations go by and his illiterate descendents are sitting around a campfire in iraq... Another 7 generations go by and a young pakistani boy named ABRAM swallows the whole myth, hook, line and sinker. And that's how you get the noah story,...

Trouble there is that Moses wrote Genesis. Moses was not illiterate and was quite well educated having been raised as a prince in Egypt.

133 posted on 07/08/2006 4:27:45 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: timer

Your saying that the animals left the ark "2 x 2." This tells me that you are ignorant of Scripture. Perhaps you should read the biblical account before you trash it.

FWIW, Noah brought 7 pairs of each "clean" animal. It's likely that in the year or so that Noah and his family were in the ark, the animals had offspring.

Why has your knowledge of Scripture not changed since you were a child?


167 posted on 07/08/2006 7:55:45 AM PDT by Theo ("Scientists" believe in both evolution and man-caused global warming. They're wrong in both cases.)
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To: timer
Yup. Ask someone form New Orleans about the hurricane.

They'll likely as not tell you everything was covered with water.

170 posted on 07/08/2006 8:09:37 AM PDT by null and void (Charlie Mackenzie on haggis: I think most Scottish cuisine is based on a dare.)
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To: timer; freedom44
why are kangaroos found only in australia?

They aren't

Kangaroos of the Middle East Article by Dr. Richard Paley


264 posted on 07/08/2006 5:10:16 PM PDT by Virginia-American
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