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Europe Must Find its Roots in America
The Brussels Journal ^ | Tue, 2006-07-04 | Paul Belien

Posted on 07/09/2006 4:46:50 AM PDT by Leifur

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To: Leifur

This is a very interesting article, one thing I would say from the UK point of view is that in the 80s Mrs Thatcher drove a bulldozer through the power of the state and the unions bringing Capitalism to the forefront of the Britain. None of this happened in continental Europe.

The question everyone keeped asking in Britain for years after that was "where have all the commies and socialists gone?". The answer was that they appeared in new guises, i.e. left wing think tanks and quangos, politically correct focus groups etc, all working for the state. Such was their rage and anger at being quashed by Mrs T.

They realised that Capitalism in Britain was here to stay and they could do nothing about it, but their vile mindset was accustomed to revenge in a different way like the above and now we seem to be reaping the awful consequences of the liberalists revenge since Tony Blair's New Labour was elected and the state has almost gone back to being as big as it was in the 1970s.

I think from this we can conclude that Britain is much closer to the US in the free market policy area but that we still have the same amount of state worshipping lefty's as continental Europe who keep trying to pull us backwards all the time.


41 posted on 07/09/2006 6:49:58 AM PDT by snowman_returns
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To: Leifur; Tolik

Tolik--I'm pinging you to this article because I believe Paul Belien's article would be an enjoyable read for your ping list! If not, well it's still a great article.


42 posted on 07/09/2006 6:51:19 AM PDT by MoJo2001
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To: MoJo2001

Definitely a good "Nailed It!" nominee.


43 posted on 07/09/2006 6:52:17 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: FreedomPoster

I thought so! I do enjoy Tolik's "Nailed It" reading pings!


44 posted on 07/09/2006 6:54:08 AM PDT by MoJo2001
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To: hershey

This viev by the Dutchman is a recurring feature here in Iceland and in other places I am afraid. It is the result of to much power of the government in some ways, but interestingly I beliewe it is also the result, partially, of the more individual freedom in the market, wich seems to keep many content.

But it helps the status qo and the increasing power of the leftists/government in many other issues.


45 posted on 07/09/2006 7:18:10 AM PDT by Leifur
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To: Leifur

>>and although we would not call it americanism, we must pick and choose what the US has done right and apply it in the various European countries.

I think that because the Left in this country, and abroad, have hammered so hard on what we've done wrong, in an effort to take America down, that it's hard to have a substantive discussion on it, because Conservatives tend to immediately circle wagons when these issues come up.

But you're right, and I don't think anyone, least of all this author, would suggest that all aspects of America need to be picked up and carried across the pond to replace what's in place in Europe.

>>The thing is that european nations are probably nearly as divided in these issues as Americans, but only one voice is allowed to be heard unlike across the pond.

Here, alternate communications for political ideas really got going in the late 1960s/early 1970s with things like Phyllis Schlafly's Eagle Forum newsletter (she was huge in stopping the Equal Rights Amendment), direct mail with Richard Viguerie for Reagan, and then Rush Limbaugh on radio in the late 80s. The Internet really got going for us in the late 90s, and I think we're really seeing the political results of all of this today.

The point is, it takes time, perserverance, and willingness to be painted as "evil", or made as invisible as possible, by your current media elites (as all of the people mentioned above were/are), to build the alternative political communications paths to overcome the existing system.

So get to work! ;-)


46 posted on 07/09/2006 7:18:57 AM PDT by FreedomPoster
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To: hershey

I took a one semester linguistics class in college and was fascinated to discover that the Southern “drawl’ is closest to the English accent as spoken in the 18th Century in America. To this day, both Southern and British speakers use the word “reckon” frequently.


47 posted on 07/09/2006 7:19:33 AM PDT by Inyo-Mono (Life is like a cow pasture, it's hard to get through without stepping in some mess. NRA.)
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To: gaspar
To my dismay some clerics make the first person of the Holy Trinity sound like 'Farthar'.

I does my crust in, it does!
48 posted on 07/09/2006 7:40:08 AM PDT by vimto (Blighty Awaken!)
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To: gaspar
To my dismay some clerics make the first person of the Holy Trinity sound like 'Farthar'.

I does my crust in, it does!
49 posted on 07/09/2006 7:40:23 AM PDT by vimto (Blighty Awaken!)
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To: Leifur

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50 posted on 07/09/2006 7:41:36 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Delicacy, precision, force)
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To: Inyo-Mono
we use the word "reckon" in Wales a lot.

we reckon that this or that is worth doing....

I reckon I'll cut the grass today

that sort of thing?
51 posted on 07/09/2006 7:42:16 AM PDT by vimto (Blighty Awaken!)
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To: Leifur
Has the general ownership of guns in the US actually limited the auhtorities and can you point to me some examples of this (not the civil war though weather you see it as such an example or not), both in the old days and today?

It's hard to point to what to examples of what has happened due to Americans being armed. Rather, we can point to what hasn't happened.

We've seen too many disarmed citizens of other countries marched off to their deaths. Tyrants know they will expect no resistance, so it's easy for a small number to murder a much larger number of people.

We've also seen instances, even in America, where local disasters leave our deputized police ineffective. Anarchy has a hard time making headway here when the local bad guy can be terminated instantly.

Finally, it's much easier to put up with the leftist hate and insanity when you realize they have no means of imposing their will by force of arms.

Our Second Ammendment is doing its job when it doesn't have to be used. It's a deterrent that every citizen has available.

52 posted on 07/09/2006 7:50:08 AM PDT by 300winmag (Overkill never fails)
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To: snowman_returns
It is interesting that in Peter Hitchen's excellent "The Abolition of Britain" a powerful and often funny conservative diatribe on the last 40 years in UK history - he dislikes Margaret Thatcher's legacy and said that she was more like an American Conservative and didn't honor British traditions - especially working class traditions (new Labour has also trampled over them but that is another story).

I admire thatcher - but I think he is right - she was outside the traditional British Conservative tradition and probably more love now by conservatives across the pond that on these shores.
53 posted on 07/09/2006 7:52:24 AM PDT by vimto (Blighty Awaken!)
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To this day, both Southern and British speakers use the word “reckon” frequently.

I have noticed that. *Reckon* is also used by the other Commonwealth peoples, such as Aussies, Kiwis and South Africans.

When I watch British TV shows, however, I usually have to put on the captions in order to get every word, especially if there are Scots or Northern accents. Hearing and seeing at the same time has helped me to be able to understand more easily without the captions. The last time we traveled to Australia and NZ, it was much easier to understand everyone.

I wonder if the difference, over 25 years, was the prevalence of American media in those countries. Perhaps the Anglo-sphere is tending towards a more common pronunciation?

I have lived in the central & northern US all my life and there was a difference from central Illinois to Wisconsin that I noticed when I moved north forty years ago. Today, I can only sometimes pinpoint the differences, such as *pin* for pen in people from the more southern of the central plains.

I think American regional accents are gradually trending more toward a common *American* accent. Since I like the southern and the tidewater accents, I think this is sort of sad.
54 posted on 07/09/2006 7:56:33 AM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: Leifur
I loved reading your post about Ice;and - virtually ignored in my education. It sounds a very interesting society where freedom and tradition (often at odds with each other) seem to work together.

We have a big problem in Wales where there is a big push by the government to side with the nationalists and increase Welsh speaking with a slide to independence that goes with it.

I would argue (and many would agree with me) that the break up of the UK will be Tony Blair's true legacy.

Sad.
55 posted on 07/09/2006 7:56:44 AM PDT by vimto (Blighty Awaken!)
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To: 300winmag
Eloquently stated!
56 posted on 07/09/2006 8:07:50 AM PDT by starbase (Understanding Written Propaganda (click "starbase" to learn 22 manipulating tricks!!))
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To: vimto
we use the word "reckon" in Wales a lot.

we reckon that this or that is worth doing....

I reckon I'll cut the grass today

that sort of thing?

That is exactly the way those with a Southern accent speak. "Reckon" is also heard often out here in the West as many Southerners migrated this way after the Civil War though the Western accent is less regional sounding. An Aussie friend of mine also used that word a lot.

57 posted on 07/09/2006 8:42:01 AM PDT by Inyo-Mono (Life is like a cow pasture, it's hard to get through without stepping in some mess. NRA.)
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To: Leifur
This article has a lot of truth in it that is rarely commented on in history or politics. The United States is the last of the Medieval states. Shortly after our revolution, the French revolution, father of totalitarianism, forever put the US and Europe on different paths.

In medieval times, the king has little influence on an ordinary person's life. Government's responsibility did not include health care, welfare, or education. These were the domains of private institutions, mainly the Church. The Europeans, in their fight to plunder and destroy the Church, handed these domains to government, making their governments ever more intrusive. In the US, these have been the battle lines between conservatives, and "progressives" who look to Europe as their model.

58 posted on 07/09/2006 8:50:14 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: reformedliberal
I have lived in the central & northern US all my life and there was a difference from central Illinois to Wisconsin that I noticed when I moved north forty years ago. Today, I can only sometimes pinpoint the differences, such as *pin* for pen in people from the more southern of the central plains.

I think American regional accents are gradually trending more toward a common *American* accent. Since I like the southern and the tidewater accents, I think this is sort of sad.

I remember traveling from Illinois to Wisconsin in 1977 and as soon as I crossed the state line the accent changed.

I used to spend a lot of time in east Texas when I was younger and all of the broadcasters on TV and radio had a heavy Southern accent. After an absense of a few years, I returned last year and was suprised to hear almost all the broadcasters using what you call an "American" and I would call Mid-Western accent which is becoming the universal accent of broadcasting.

59 posted on 07/09/2006 8:55:47 AM PDT by Inyo-Mono (Life is like a cow pasture, it's hard to get through without stepping in some mess. NRA.)
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To: Leifur
About your second amendment to your constitution, can you explain to me how you have come to this conclusion? I am not contesting it, it is just so "alien" thinking to me, as an Icelander, where guns are rarely seen, except in the movies (from the US).

It is diffcult to prove to an outsider that our 2nd has kept us free. There haven't been too many occasions in which it has been used to correct government recently, but the Battle of Athens is a good example.

I do believe that when policy makers convene in secret, the 2nd is always on the back of their minds when deciding how far they will go. For more immediate needs, it provides protection from fellow citizens who prey on others. There are many examples daily of criminals meeting an untimely end at the wrong end of a home owners weapon. Just look at Great Britain. They've all but abolished legal gun ownership, and now brazen criminals invade homes in broad daylight with no fear of retaliation.

I've heard, and seen from pictures and films, of the beauty of Iceland. It's nice you can have a society without the need for guns. Our nation is very different, with racial and political tensions boiling below just below the surface of a much larger population. Guns are a necessity here.

60 posted on 07/09/2006 8:59:49 AM PDT by Orbiting_Rosie's_Head (Yahoo!)
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