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Thanks for being out front with this. I read that thread Sunday and saw FReepers that were totally unreasonable. Because Obrador has not said anything about immigration and Calderon did, Calderon is immediately the bad guy. I understand the politics of what he is doing AND also support immediately strengthening our borders to cut the flow of illegals. But just because he didn't say "stay home" to his people anyone on here who tries to reason with them that the better candidate won is attacked and flamed.

By the way, the drive-by-media has annointed Obrador as the "anti-poverty" candidate which shows the depth of their understanding.

". . . I understand the politics of what he is doing AND also support immediately strengthening our borders to cut the flow of illegals. . . ."

So do I Dave, and if you caught up with my final comments on that thread I made clear my support for building the border fence and strengthening laws that punish employers hiring illegals and more. I'm a true Conservative and like all true Conservatives I want the law to work and it obviously is not working now.

There are a number of things that contribute to the complexity of the immigration problem and unfortunately, as is frequently the case with tough issues, one of them is that there are antagonists on both sides who contribute nothing to the debate except to "stir up the bees" and prevent everyone in the middle from sitting down and rationally working out a solution for the benefit of all. There are a number of those here on our board. But the one thing about them that struck me as a revelation of the real hatred for Mexicans that spurs them on is that they refused to consider that improving conditions in Mexico would encourage some of those here illegally to return there. If approached from the standpoint of logic alone that is sheer madness. Why would anyone who wants illegal immigrants from Mexico to return there not listen to evidence and argument of a scenario that will bring about exactly that result? And beyond that, why would they flame the very person who explains to them how that outcome can come about?

The inescapable answer I am confronted with is that they will only accept a solution to the problem of illegal immigrants from Mexico that is predicated upon a recognized hatred of Mexicans as a whole. If the problem is solved without public condemnation of Mexicans they will be most upset.