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Open Letter to the GOP
Human Events Online ^ | 07-11-06 | Caruba, Alan

Posted on 07/11/2006 6:12:14 AM PDT by Theodore R.

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To: sinkspur

I notice that the provisions of his Bill went absolutely nowhere because he got no help from the WH on his Bill. Too bad because the WH missed a golden oportunity to get part of what they wanted. I'm sure the security provisions were what killed the Bill because the open borders crowd wouldn't stand for real enforcement. The arguement has now moved on, and I'm glad Tancredo went hardline against the elitists who want open borders as long as they can make a buck. Good for you Tom!

In addition to adding more border agents and facilities, the bill prohibits agents from engaging in racial profiling. However, they may consider such factors as mannerisms, appearance, language, behavior and location. In a further effort curb immigration violations, the BE REAL Act will increase the civil and criminal penalties for overstaying visas by 30 days or more, document fraud and false claims of citizenship. All visa waiver programs would be suspended until DHS certifies to Congress that an automated entry-exit system is fully implemented and functional, all ports of entry have functional biometric machine readers and all participating countries issue machine-readable, biometric passports.



In order to remove the incentives to illegal migration, Tancredo’s bill requires the Secretary of DHS to create a national mandatory electronic employment eligibility verification system and to use such verification as a defense against employer sanctions. Employers would be required to obtain either a social security number or an alien number from each new hire.



The BE REAL Act calls for a guest worker program that would replace all current H nonimmigrant visa with a single H nonimmigrant visa for immigrants coming to the United States temporarily to perform skilled or unskilled work for which no U.S. citizens or legal permanent residents are available or qualified. The guest worker program would also require that the Department of Labor create an Internet-based job posting system to which all U.S. employment agencies and businesses may acquire password-protected access so that they can post available jobs on the system. The Department of Labor would be prohibited from approving any labor certification applications in any industry and geographic region if the unemployment rate exceeds five percent and the percentage of new hires who are H non-immigrants exceeds 15 percent.


61 posted on 07/11/2006 9:39:02 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: conservativecorner

Tancredo is a hypocrite. He doesn't want any immigration reform, lest the issue go away and he be reduced to a nameless face in Congress.


62 posted on 07/11/2006 9:44:29 AM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: sinkspur
Exactly. Secure the border, build a wall, deport illegals as quickly and in as great of numbers as logistically possible, and Americans would quickly see the health care and education systems improve and finally be under crowded, and crime would drop. And as was proved by the WONDERFUL "Day without Illegals" protest a couple months ago, without illegals, retail sales only go down about 4%, while shoplifting goes down over 70%. And if illegals were driven from this country by the millions, we'd see murder rates, rapes, robberies, child abductions, auto thefts, gang related violence, all crimes, drop dramatically. There are so many crimes committed by illegals in this country that never get identified as having eben committed by illegals, it's shameful. I'd GLADLY pay 20% or so more for grocery and retail goods and services if it meant illgeals were run out of this country, and our laws were enforced. Those who obey the law and wait to become legal citizens and leave when they're supposed to, should NEVER NEVER NEVER play second fiddle to a bunch of thugs who feel they're too good to obey the law, many of which are criminals in their own countries, and now coming to America to get a piece of the action here.

The biggest problem is Mexico, who just elected the most left leaning socialist candidate of the three on the balot. So it will get worse not better. This commie jerk has been speaking out about how all Mexican citizens who have been in the U.S. for more than three years should be given immediate permanent resident status in the U.S.. And America became his country when??? I didn't hear of any U.S. citizens voting for him. To him I yell a hearty "Go thee to h**l commie pig", and finish it off with a rude gesture.

"Who's more irrational? The guy who believes in a God he can't see? Or the guy who is offended by a God he doesn't believe in?" Brad Stine

63 posted on 07/11/2006 9:47:00 AM PDT by TexasPatriot8
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To: TexasPatriot8
The biggest problem is Mexico, who just elected the most left leaning socialist candidate of the three on the balot. So it will get worse not better.

Uh, Calderon won the election. It's been in all the papers.

Obrador was the socialist.

64 posted on 07/11/2006 9:50:34 AM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: seasoned traditionalist

Excellent link. Thanks for posting it.


65 posted on 07/11/2006 9:53:46 AM PDT by zeugma (I reject your reality and substitute my own in its place.)
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To: conservativecorner
All I can say is Wow. Unfortunately, this kind of thing is exactly what I expect out of the government these days. Gross incompetence is rampant at every level.
66 posted on 07/11/2006 9:57:41 AM PDT by zeugma (I reject your reality and substitute my own in its place.)
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To: Theodore R.

I told the RNC just last night that I will never donate to them only to those who have demonstrated thst they deserve my support.

...And that the three Mexican Flag waving demonstrations that came within a block of my house has a lot to do with it.


67 posted on 07/11/2006 9:57:59 AM PDT by tertiary01 (The latest business model: Socialize the costs- privatize the profits,)
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To: conservativecorner
We pulled 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2004, so please tell me where the built in Conservative values are with Hispanics?

If you were running the GOP, would you be happy with only 40% of an ever-growing segment of the population?
68 posted on 07/11/2006 10:00:19 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Deb

Ping me when Bush decides to veto something, help reign in spending and government growth, and people can no longer easily cross our borders.


69 posted on 07/11/2006 10:01:18 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Howlin
The thread is about why the base is sitting out this election. Bush's immigration policy is a major reason for that, so yes it is.
70 posted on 07/11/2006 10:05:25 AM PDT by NathanR (Après moi, le deluge.)
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To: Theodore R.

Republicans have a good change to PICK UP a seat on Mn.


71 posted on 07/11/2006 10:10:04 AM PDT by DManA
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To: conservativecorner

When you refer to Clinton as "Bubba", you sound more like a redneck who can't articulate ideas than an educated voter whose thoughts should be considered.


72 posted on 07/11/2006 10:18:15 AM PDT by LibWrangler
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To: sinkspur
You are misinformed. Obrador is socialist leaning but Calderon was by far more socialistic in his positions. According to the BBC article I read last week, Calderon (Fox's successor) is more left liberal leaning (by American standards) than Obrador, who was still left liberal leaning (by American standards) but not as far socialist leaning as Calderon. Was the BBC wrong in their political analysis?

Also, a Professor friend of my wife with a doctorate in Latin American Studies, who teaches a Modern Latin America class, was talking to her about this the other day and his wife is Hispanic, and he was very clear that Calderon was the most Socialistic candidate of the three.

Obrador wanted to create more welfare programs in order to keep the workers from flooding over illegally into the United States. Calderon wanted to flatly open the border and wanted to set up a coalition with the U.S. so that any Mexican illegals that were in the U.S. more then 3 years (not five like I mispoke before) would be granted immediate legal resident status. Obrador did not support that. So clearly, Calderon is the more liberal left socialistic of the three candidates, by American political standards.

Most of the rest of the world when they say "Conservative" like Calderon is referred to in Mexico, they mean "Liberal" by American standards. The third candidate (his name escapes me right now), was referred to as the "liberal" candidate, but by American standards he was a conservative and he supported more domestic jobs with better pay so Mexican's wouldn't want to enter the U.S. illegally for money.

It is also a misconception that the majority of Mexican illegals are from one of the several Mexican Provinces along the U.S./Mexico border. This is not the case, the majority come from the southern provinces of Mexico where they are extremely poor and the Mexican government is not providing them any kind of assistance. Furthermore, our Professor friends wife is from one of those southern provinces, and they strongly oppose Fox's party, who has now put up Calderon, but they're the minority, so they didn't get a less socialistic candidate, they got the full monty. The media has done a poor job of accurately explaining how the Mexican election went. Calderon winning is the worst thing for America when it comes to the Mexican election. Americans should be as upset at Calderon's election in Mexico, as France and Germany were upset that Bush was elected twice.

73 posted on 07/11/2006 10:23:55 AM PDT by TexasPatriot8
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To: NathanR
If the conservative base sits out in the November elections just to spite Bush's weak immigration policy, then those "so called" conservatives are TOTALLY responsible of the democrats regain control of the Congress. And THAT is inexcusable! Bush is not up for re-election in November! Republican Senators and Congressmen and candidates are! And if the Democrats regain a majority in the House and/or the Senate, it will be the fault of the apathetic Conservatives who refused to vote to spite Bush when Bush is forced to put forward a milk toast moderate like Kennedy when Stevens or Ginsburg retires the next couple years. Mark my words. If this happens, and the Democrats become a Congressional majority again, those Conservatives who sit out this elections will be the ones most at fault when another Anthony Kennedy/Sandra Day O'Conner is confimred to the Senate, instead of a Antonin Scalia/Clarance Thomas type, because Bush knows that a real conservative Constructionist nominee will never get out of committee with a Democrat majority.

So any conservatives who are sitting out this election to spite Bush because of his weak immigration policy, I question their committment to conservative values and more than anything else, doing whatever it takes to keep democrats from regaining control. There is NO excuse for this kind of childish apathy which will have only one result. Liberals call the shots again. Does any real conservative REALLY want to spite Bush that much and do that to the country? The Supreme Court, as well as other things, are at risk here. If Democrats win, you can kiss goodbye any hope of having conservative constructionist nominee to replace a liberal Supreme Court retirement.

"Who's more irrational? The guy who believes in a God he can't see? Or the guy who is offended by a God he doesn't believe in?" Brad Stine

74 posted on 07/11/2006 10:30:51 AM PDT by TexasPatriot8
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To: TexasPatriot8
You, apparently, would rather have a Hugo Chavez clone leading the country bordering our south, for that is what Obrador is.

Since I didn't see the BBC article, I can't judge if your characterization of it is correct. I suspect it is not.

You seem to think that creating welfare programs is less socialistic than creating jobs and encouraging trade with the United States.

What, exactly, is a socalist, in your view?

75 posted on 07/11/2006 10:35:06 AM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: Howlin

DUH! It's a thread about what's wrong with the stupid party. Wonder why everyone is stuck on ILLEGAL immigration? You're so transparent. Blackbird.


76 posted on 07/11/2006 11:18:21 AM PDT by BlackbirdSST (Prove you're Sane!)
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To: af_vet_rr
It would do no good for him veto something that can be over-ridden by Congress. If he did, the story would be that his own party has made him a Lame Duck. He's smart enough not to veto something if he can't win it.

Of course, nothing would satisfy the malcontents, Buchanan Forkers or Libertarians.

77 posted on 07/11/2006 11:25:08 AM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: sinkspur
Okay, I don't know where your hostility is coming from. If either of the two, Calderon and Obrador, is more like Hugo Chavez, it's Calderon.

And my reference to the BBC article was not my "characterization", it's fact. Do a Google search for "2006 Mexican Presidential Candiates" and then scan for a BBC article dated around the 6th of July or a couple days earlier.

Also, you are inferring that I'm lying somehow. It's a statement of fact that Obrador is less socialistic than Claderon, who belongs to Fox's party. That's based on years of their political statements and positions. Obrador is still a political liberal, by American standards, but he is less socialistic than Calderon, that's just fact.

It's also pretty astounding that you assume to suggest that a Professer with a Doctorate in Latin American Studies, who teaches Modern Latin American classes at a major university, who has a wife who is a Mexican-American who grew up in Mexico and is well aware of the politics in Mexico, that they are just wrong, and somehow you are right, with no evidence to support your position. The third candidate would have been the best option for America. Not withstanding him, Obrador would have been the lesser of the two reamining evils. Calderon is the established most socialistic of the three major candidates. And when it comes to the choice between a Mexican President that will create wellfare programs to keep Mexicans in Mexico, or a Mexican President that will call for all illegals in America be granted immediate permanent legal resident status, I'll choose the former EVERYTIME!!! Besides, according to democrats, wellfare is good for America, who why wouldn't it be good for Mexico? If it keeps their citizens in their country and out of the United States, then bring on wellfare! Go do a search for those candidates.

And I'd be happy, seriously, to give you Professor Perry's phone number and you can call and tell him and his Mexican wife that they don't know what they're talking about. Unless you're a Professor in his field with a spouse also very knowledgable about Mexico because he/she is Mexican, I don't see how you're able to just curtly say what I said is wrong. Please remain civil. I was simply and politely telling you you were mistaken when you tried correcting me earlier and I provided evidence to support my statement. There's no need to get hostile. I was just informing you of an incorrect perception you have. Maybe it's just me, but when I'm wrong about something, I want to know it. Not continue in my ignorance.

"Who's more irrational? The guy who believes in a God he can't see? Or the guy who is offended by a God he doesn't believe in?" Brad Stine

78 posted on 07/11/2006 11:27:27 AM PDT by TexasPatriot8
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To: TexasPatriot8
"Conservatives need to at some point get a clue about the fact that a weaker RINO infested Republican majority is doing FAR LESS damage to this country than a liberal Democrat majority WILL do. I'm amazed so many conservatives can't see and understand that. It's so elementary!"

How is my supporting local conservative candidates hurting the national GOP? I live in a very blue metro area, and if my candidate picks up a US Senate seat over a liberal (D), the GOP (and America) wins. Seems to me that my money will be much better spent locally for national success.

79 posted on 07/11/2006 11:36:58 AM PDT by Minnesocold ("The public demand to protect our borders will triumph sooner or later." - Tony Blankley)
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To: TexasPatriot8
If either of the two, Calderon and Obrador, is more like Hugo Chavez, it's Calderon.

Then why did Chavez endorse Obrador?

You and your professor friend have a different definition of socialism than I do.

Obrador advocates more and more involvement of the government in the lives of Mexicans, whereas Calderon supports free market reforms to improve their lives.

Obrador is clearly the socialist, and Calderon is a man the United States can do business with.

80 posted on 07/11/2006 11:37:19 AM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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