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Feminine Side Of ADHD: Attention Disorder Has Lasting Impact On Girls
Science News ^ | 7-11-2006 | Bruce Bower

Posted on 07/11/2006 3:24:49 PM PDT by blam

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To: wideminded
6. It's hard to offer help or academic suggestions to teen agers without seeming like their parents.

You got that right! It's as if everything has some 'value-judgement' on it. Offering help can be sometimes be construed as implying that her parents didn't do a good job in some way when all you are doing is trying to help a kid for who you have fond feelings!

When it comes to college, know that there are schools are there that work with these type of kids (my daughter is going to one this fall). They may be more expensive, but going to a huge state school is a waste of money.

41 posted on 07/11/2006 5:47:18 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: SoftballMominVA

who == whom **sigh**


42 posted on 07/11/2006 5:47:41 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: Psycho_Bunny

So sorry! I was reading their comments and thought you were in the same vein.

I must add that even your sarcastic comment sounded much more informed and intelligent than many of the other comments. I don't understand the knee-jerk bashing.


43 posted on 07/11/2006 5:50:44 PM PDT by SuzyQue
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This has been around since the beginning of time. My Dad had it, but it wasn't called that. He was one of the naturally smart guys you would ever meet. He couldn't get through high school, but worked on his own to understand complex engineering and construction issues by the time he was my age.

I was diagnosed three years ago. The medication did not turn me into a semi-comotose zombie. It finally gave me a rudder.

And before you suggest that I work harder or "focus", understand that I rose the the highest levels of the corporate world at a young age.

The flip side to attention deficit is the periodic ability to focus like a laser beam. I could get more "mind work" done in two hours than my peers would do in a week. I then spent the rest of my time surfing the web and watching movies in my office. And I had been working this way my whole life. It will also drive you crazy--never being satisfied with your success, your marriage, your family. Imagine, never being able to relax. It is real.

It is a curse, and whether some of you believe that it exists or not, it doesn't matter. If you think you have this, or if your kids have it--get them tested. Go to a neural psychologist and get a battery of tests. They wont lie to you because most of them dont want you on drugs. There really isn't much in THAT for them.
44 posted on 07/11/2006 5:51:19 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (I am not from Vermont. I lived there for four years and that was enough.)
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To: blam

"Compared with teenage girls who had no psychiatric disorder..."

As a former Teenage Girl, we're all pretty psycho while our hormones are going wild, we're getting boobs and zits and hair (down there!), we're obsessed with horses and the Hollywood Hunk of the Week, we're contemplating tatoos or piercings and are busy cat-fighting with the girl who WAS our Best Friend last week and is now our Sworn Mortal Enemy! (And we'll make her pay. Yes. We. Will. *Snicker*)

I'd be interested to see how they even found a control group of female teens that they thought were free of psychotic tendencies, LOL!

What? They don't use control groups to actually prove or disprove medical findings when they want a specific outcome? My bad. *Smirk*


45 posted on 07/11/2006 5:52:51 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Psycho_Bunny
"...The problem is that we're living in a period of time where it's being over-diagnosed by half-wit - and wannabe - doctors...."

"DING DING DING! What do we have for her, Johnny?"

Well put!

46 posted on 07/11/2006 5:54:44 PM PDT by rlmorel (John Murtha: Out of touch, Out of His Mind. Lets make him Out of Congress! DIANA IREY FOR CONGRESS!)
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To: SoftballMominVA

"Tell that to my 19 year old daughter who has fought with ADHD and depression her whole life. Nothing fake about it. Nothing."

Don't think twice about the utter ignorance of these people. The problem with looking at it from an adolescent standpoint is that sometimes, it emulates the immature way kids will act. So ignorant people say it is just kids being kids and blame the teachers. While behavioral problems shouldn't always be blamed on ADHD, it is a VERY REAL problem, especially in today's hustle and bustle world. ADHD people are usually very intelligent, and are many times very successful only because they keep cruising no matter what (people with the depression aspect have an extra challenge on them). But their poor brain changes channels from one subject to the next constantly. These people self medicate with alcohol (even though they are not alcoholics), with caffeine, and unfortunately many times with illicit amphetamines. It is medical fact that ADHD people get a calming effect from stimulants like Ritalin. That is fact. People who are not ADHD get hyper when they take Ritalin. While I agree that it is hard to tell in an adolescent, mainly because of the different maturity levels of kids of the same age, adults with ADHD will tell you, it is not fake. People need to stop listening to radio talk show hosts, and develop some critical thinking skills of their own.


47 posted on 07/11/2006 5:55:21 PM PDT by SaveUS
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To: mugs99
.....actually, you would be wrong on a couple of accounts. Neurologists have discovered some markers that indicate ADHD and the severity of it. I know that this research is out there and being completed as my daughter has participated in this research through Johns Hopkins. In fact, her neurological data is part of the baseline indications of 'severe."

The initial testing involved reading her brain waves when presented with decision making. I am giving the most simplest explanation as I do not understand all of the testing parameters. But, it didn't hurt, she loved the attention and looked forward to going for "testing" for the couple of years she did it.

You mention other very legitimate problems and we do need research for all of that too. But, to say that ADHD doesn't exist because it can't be measured--nope, try again.

48 posted on 07/11/2006 5:55:28 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: SoftballMominVA
Tell that to my 19 year old daughter who has fought with ADHD and depression her whole life. Nothing fake about it. Nothing.

Just curious...did ANYONE suggest changing her dietary routine?

49 posted on 07/11/2006 5:55:28 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (New England...the Sodom and Gomorrah of the 21st Century, and they're proud of it!)
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To: Williams

Thank you for saying that. That is exactly what I was thinking.


51 posted on 07/11/2006 5:56:30 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: oyez
If the subject matter isn't bang 'em up my mind goes out in left field somewhere.

So? That happened to me all the time in school...it's called being bored as hell with the subject at hand...still happens to me as an adult.

52 posted on 07/11/2006 5:58:54 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (New England...the Sodom and Gomorrah of the 21st Century, and they're proud of it!)
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To: who knows what evil?

....indeed we did. We tried eliminating dyes, additives, and common allergens. We did cleansing diets and then reintroduced 1 food at a time. We were so desparate to figure out what was going on, we listened to anyone and everyone and tried any approach even if it sounded wacky. She was so wired up it was suggested that it would be best that we homeschool her for Sunday School as the other kids could not concentrate around her. Nothing mean mind you, just lots and lots of chatter and activity. This was all before going to the doctor. The doctor was the last resource.


53 posted on 07/11/2006 5:59:14 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: Vermont Lt

"And before you suggest that I work harder or "focus", understand that I rose the the highest levels of the corporate world at a young age."

Of course you did. Because when you are focused, you are hyperfocused, and can get more done in thirty minutes than most get done in a day. Then, you will spend half the rest of the day spinning your wheels. But nobody usually notices so much, because you are so productive, and such a go getter when you are focused. Am I close? LOL, I wrote the above before I read all of your post. Yep.


54 posted on 07/11/2006 6:01:33 PM PDT by SaveUS
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To: ABN 505

Excellent point...throw the TV set in the garbage, buy comics for the kids to read, at least in the early stages...


55 posted on 07/11/2006 6:03:46 PM PDT by thinking
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To: wideminded

Maybe she has dyslexia. Public schools will not start helping kids with dyslexia until they are 2 years behind in reading. Some kids have it and can sort of manage, but they really need extra help.

My daughter has special needs (brain damage). She's been struggling in school this past year (3rd grade), so we had an independent evaluation done by a neuropsychologist, learning specialist, and speech therapist. We knew about my daughters speech problems, but they also found auditory and reading problems. Besides speech, they recommended a multi-sensory reading program for her. The district will not provide it because my daughter is not 2 years behind. We're pulling my daughter from public school and putting her in private and getting her reading help.

I hope your babysitter can get a good evaluation on her and find out what is really going on. There are lots of programs that can help struggling kids.


56 posted on 07/11/2006 6:03:48 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: SoftballMominVA
We tried eliminating dyes, additives, and common allergens.

Soda? Fast food? Did she get lots of fruits, veggies, and nuts? At least the 'doctor' was the last resource.

57 posted on 07/11/2006 6:04:36 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (New England...the Sodom and Gomorrah of the 21st Century, and they're proud of it!)
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To: Vermont Lt
Interesting.  I was diagnosed as having ADHD in the 70's when I was very young but my mother, bless her, wouldn't let anyone put me on drugs.

I honestly really don't remember much of my life until around the age of 22.  It was just a blur.  I have piano compositions and orchestral pieces I wrote in my teens that I know I spent hours and days on, but I don't remember actually writing any of them.

I hate seeing home movies from from my childhood because I was burning at 115% in every single one of them, all of the time.  I honestly don't know how my parents put up with it.  I would have killed me.

Today, at 37, I'm exactly like you describe:  I'll work in a flurry of energy for 4-6 hours, get everything done and then coast for the rest of the week.  I've also been successful, I'm a Director of IT but the VP I report to is exactly the opposite of  me, he works slow and steady the entire week.  It's really bizarre.

58 posted on 07/11/2006 6:06:08 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: wolf24
...(g) often blurts out answers before questions have been completed...

...because we didn't feel like wasting our valuable time while the teacher tried to coax the correct answer out of the class morons. :-)

59 posted on 07/11/2006 6:07:22 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (New England...the Sodom and Gomorrah of the 21st Century, and they're proud of it!)
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To: Vermont Lt
Hey! My daughter does that too! Even as a little one she could go outside and draw elaborate pictures with chalk for well over an hour but then not be able to sit still long enough to eat 3 bites of dinner!

You mention it being a curse...she describes it this way. "I can tell myself to do something a certain way, but before I finish the thought I've already done it wrong, then I get mad about doing it wrong and then I get sad when people say 'you're too smart to do things that way! Concentrate!' and then I do it over and over again--hundreds of times a day." I wouldn't want to live her life.

60 posted on 07/11/2006 6:07:58 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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