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To: Dead Corpse
"It wasn't until damn near the 20th century that courts interpreted this differently."

United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542 was an 1875 case where the U.S. Supreme Court stated that the 2nd Amendment "has no other effect than to restrict the powers of the national government".

So that's damn near the 19th century.

"The Founders saw it as an unalienable Right of every Free man."

Unalienable? No. An individual right secured by the states, yes.

212 posted on 07/24/2006 2:32:16 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
And before that, no State court upheld a ban due to the Second Amendment. Such as Nunn v GA.

But so far as it cuts off the exercise of the right of the citizen altogether to bear arms, or, under the color of prescribing the mode, renders the right itself useless--it is in conflict with the Constitution, and void.

Up until it was arbitrarily decided by your precious Courts to ignore the Constitution, we had a Republic. Now, people like you cheerlead for our Democracy and its continuing errosion of our Rights.

Nice going Ace...

213 posted on 07/24/2006 2:52:08 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (It is not the oath that makes us believe the man, but the man the oath.- Aeschylus)
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To: robertpaulsen

>>>United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542 was an 1875 case where the U.S. Supreme Court stated that the 2nd Amendment "has no other effect than to restrict the powers of the national government".<<<

It said more than that. The exact statement was: "The right there specified is that of 'bearing arms for a lawful purpose.' This is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence. The second amendment declares that it shall not be infringed; but this, as has been seen, means no more than that it shall not be infringed by Congress."

Note the court stated the RKBA was not granted by the Constitution, nor dependent on it for its existence. In other words, the RKBA was a retained right.

The lower court interpretation was similar: "With regard to those acknowledged rights and privileges of the citizen, which form a part of his political inheritance derived from the mother country, and which were challenged and vindicated by centuries of stubborn resistance to arbitrary power, they belong to him as his birthright, and it is the duty of the particular state of which he is a citizen to protect and enforce them, and to do naught to deprive him of their full enjoyment. When any of these rights and privileges are secured in the constitution of the United States only by a declaration that the state or the United States shall not violate or abridge them, it is at once understood that they are not created or conferred by the constitution, but that the constitution only guaranties that they shall not be impaired by the state, or the United States, as the case may be."

A reference was made to Dred Scott which had listed the rights of citizenship which African-americans would be entitled should they be considered citizens, including the right "to keep and carry arms wherever they went".


255 posted on 07/29/2006 7:41:45 AM PDT by PhilipFreneau
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