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Boeing orders could twist knife into rival Airbus
NDTVProfit.com ^ | July 13, 2006 | Bill Rigby

Posted on 07/13/2006 5:47:21 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Boeing Co. could twist the knife into struggling European rival Airbus next week.

The U.S. planemaker is set to dominate Britain's Farnborough air show with a stream of new orders for its 787 Dreamliner and other jets, which are already outselling its main competitor four-to-one.

The timing could not be worse for Airbus, whose five-year reign as the world's leading commercial jet builder looks likely to end after slow sales of its delayed A380 superjumbo and indecision over its mid-sized A350.

"Boeing's spent the last few Farnborough and Paris airshows getting away from the whole orders game, but this time the rumor is that they are back," said Richard Aboulafia, an analyst at aerospace consultants, Teal Group.

"You wonder how much of the show will be people just walking over and giving a good, solid kick to Airbus."

The last month has been painful for the European company. Shares of its parent EADS slumped in mid-June after Airbus announced the second major A380 delay, which ended up costing the jobs of Airbus' chief and EADS's French co-chief.

EADS has lost a third of its market value so far this year, while Boeing's shares are up 15 percent, hitting an all-time high in May. Boeing led Airbus 480 to 117 in firm plane orders for the first half of the year.

While much of the talk at the airshow is pure marketing, and not all agreements turn into actual orders, Boeing could inflict real pain on an already fragile Airbus if it wins orders from key customers for mid-sized and large jets.

"An Emirates order for the 787-10 would be serious," Aboulafia said. "A firm order for the passenger version of the 747-8 from a blue-chip carrier such as Cathay Pacific would be a real blow."

KICK 'EM WHEN THEY'RE DOWN

Industry-watchers have long expected a stretched out version of Boeing's popular mid-sized Dreamliner, already being referred to as the 787-10, although it has not officially been launched.

A firm order from Emirates, or another major airline, would get the new model off to a roaring start and particularly hurt Airbus, which still has not announced a competitor to the lightweight, fuel-efficient 787.

Airbus held up plans for its mid-sized A350 earlier this year after customers complained that it could not compete with Boeing's carbon fiber and titanium 787, and is expected to announce a radical redesign at Farnborough or shortly after.

Dubai-based Emirates is one of Airbus' major customers for the A380, and has said it is in the market to buy up to 100 mid-sized planes, once planemakers' offerings are finalized.

Qatar Airways could pile on the pain for Airbus. The Middle East carrier agreed to buy 60 A350s last year but said in May it was reviewing its options. The airline, which also agreed to buy at least 20 of Boeing's 777 jetliners last year, may convert those into firm orders, industry watchers say.

At the very top of the market, Airbus is also in jeopardy.

With embarrassing delays hampering its double-decker A380, which will be the world's largest passenger plane when it enters service later this year, some customers may opt to stick with Boeing's tried and tested 747 line-up.

Boeing has so far sold only one 747-8 Intercontinental -- a passenger version of its largest cargo plane that can seat 450 people -- but some expect more orders.

"That would certainly put Airbus on notice that they don't have that jumbo market all for themselves," said Paul Nisbet at aerospace specialists JSA Research. "They (Airbus) have enough trouble already getting orders. You don't need that when the rest of your wide-body models are in trouble."



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: 747; 777; 787; a350; a370; a380; airbus; boeing

1 posted on 07/13/2006 5:47:23 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: COEXERJ145; microgood; liberallarry; cmsgop; shaggy eel; RayChuang88; Larry Lucido; namsman; ...

If you want on or off my aerospace ping list, please contact me by Freep mail.

2 posted on 07/13/2006 5:48:50 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Paleo Conservative
To help the bleeding at AirBus, Boeing sent them this:

Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting

3 posted on 07/13/2006 5:49:14 PM PDT by TommyDale (Stop the Nifongery!)
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To: Paleo Conservative
News just keeps getting better.
Chickens coming home to roost for Airburst I see.
4 posted on 07/13/2006 5:54:37 PM PDT by Jameison
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To: Paleo Conservative
Airbus, whose five-year reign

The last year of their "reign" was basically a draw, if I recall. Airbus cranked out some last minute orders to pass Boeing by 5 or 6 planes.

5 posted on 07/13/2006 5:56:52 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: TommyDale
To help the bleeding at AirBus, Boeing sent them this:

Video of Airbus Duct Tape in action!!

6 posted on 07/13/2006 5:59:48 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Six months ago Airbus was crowing about their huge sales versus the puny numbers reported by Boeing. Who would want an Airbus anyway. They ae a giant albatross waiting to crash and kill everyone on board.


7 posted on 07/13/2006 6:07:05 PM PDT by x_plus_one (Murder, Suicide, Misogyny, Slavery are the Pillars of islam)
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To: Yo-Yo

LOL!! Ya gotta love it! All this time I have been using the duct tape gag, I have never seen that video! Priceless! Thanks for that link...


8 posted on 07/13/2006 6:39:40 PM PDT by TommyDale (Stop the Nifongery!)
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To: x_plus_one

HA! the video is perfect. good job BOEING, Keep sticking it to airburst, i love it


9 posted on 07/13/2006 6:43:08 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Boeing is outselling Airbust at a rate of 4 to 1 this year.

Airbust = pwned


10 posted on 07/13/2006 6:58:46 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: TommyDale

Maybe that will keep the wings on..


11 posted on 07/13/2006 9:08:24 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Paleo Conservative

What kind of flag is that?


12 posted on 07/13/2006 10:18:59 PM PDT by phantomworker (The ultimate in wisdom is to live in the present, plan for the future and profit from the past.~Anon)
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To: Yo-Yo

LOL! Thanks.


13 posted on 07/13/2006 10:21:03 PM PDT by phantomworker (The ultimate in wisdom is to live in the present, plan for the future and profit from the past.~Anon)
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To: phantomworker; TommyDale; BubbaJunebug
I cannot tell a lie. (Well, I can but in this case I won't.)

I shamelessly stole that Airbus A350 duct tape video clip from BubbaJunebug's post http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1664863/posts without giving Bubba full credit.

Thanks, Bubba!

14 posted on 07/14/2006 6:32:14 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: Paleo Conservative

OK. Answered my own question. LOL! A consequence of "tunnel vision".


15 posted on 07/14/2006 8:57:40 AM PDT by phantomworker (If you are patient in one moment of anger, you will escape a hundred days of sorrow.~chinese proverb)
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To: Yo-Yo

Imitation is often the best form of flattery. Videos like that are often public domain anyway. But thanks for the link to the thread. Didn't know that about Glare.


16 posted on 07/14/2006 9:05:42 AM PDT by phantomworker (If you are patient in one moment of anger, you will escape a hundred days of sorrow.~chinese proverb)
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To: Larry Lucido

said orders now being cancelled


17 posted on 07/14/2006 4:54:49 PM PDT by appeal2
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To: Paleo Conservative

News coming from the first day of the Farnborough International Airshow.


First Day announcements:

Qatar Airways orders 20 777s

Lion Air orders another 30 Boeing 737-900ERs


Keeping my fingers crossed that the Boeing stock price will now end its four week slide and get back up in the mid 80’s or higher where is belongs.


18 posted on 07/17/2006 5:53:43 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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