Posted on 07/13/2006 8:57:19 PM PDT by LibWhacker
Anyone who has actually watched the events of the last few decades would laugh at such a statement. The far more common case is that Israel sits there like a marshmallow getting poked at and doing next to nothing while Washington sternly warns it to keep sitting there. It might snipe down a terrorist or two if it's lucky. Then once in a blue moon like now Israel undertakes a really energetic action, and the whole liberal world is simply appalled.
All Israel's "fascism" would vanish overnight if the Arab resolve to shove it into the sea also vanished.
But they are striking out at us in response to our governments propping up of Israel.
This is just plain wrong. You think the Saudi Wahabis give a sh*t about Palestinians? Go research how much aid they provide to them.
You think the Indonesians that planted bombs in a night club in Bali or the Muslims that have killed 2,500 innocent civilians, a lot of them teachers and other low level civil servants in Thailand would stop if Israel ceased to exist? Do you really think that 9/11 would not have happened if the US was not a friend of Israel's? I won't accept and answer of 'yes' - I will assume you are just baiting us - no FReeper could be that detached from reality.
Instead of refuting a single thing I told you (you can't) you grace us with a jarful of red herrings.
None are so blind as those who refuse to see
Amen, SunkenCiv!
Islamic Pakistan has nukes and they have yet to use one against Israel.
Sure, Islamfascism is all Israel's fault!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1666064/posts
"This is a testimony to the fact that evil beliefs make humans commit unthinkable atrocities. Anwar Shaikh, the renowned anti Islamist admits that during the Partition, when he was young, he was so filled with hate that he went out with a machete and killed two innocent Sikhs, a father and a son and a Hindu. He did not know any of his victims. He killed them because they were the first non-Muslims he saw in the streets. The memory of his crime haunts him to this day. But the mind of a believer is like a mind on drugs. He is completely dehumanized."
Yeah, well, you seem to have changed the point which yesterday was that Israelis want to wipe Muslims off the face of the earth in the same way Muslims do Jews, and the reason Muslims do is because of Israel, and if a country is not friends to Israel it has nothing to fear like 9/11 attacks from Islamofascists.
I repeat, that is nonsense. One example off the top of my head, but there are so many, just look at the riots in France recently. I suppose you think that violence against non-Muslim French and particulary French Jews was in protest to France's support (that is sarcasm) of Israel? Look at the story I posted (that you avoid commenting on) on the Indian Muslim who killed the first non-Muslims he came across. Look in the south of Thailand. Look in the Philippines, in Bali, in Africa! I suppose all those ethnic Chinese that were raped, tortured and lynched in Jakarta in 1998 are Israel's fault! I mean, geez, that is just so ridiculous. This is isn't 2% of Muslim crazies. It's more like 2% that aren't, not that are.
You ought to have a look at http://www.jihadwatch.org/ and learn about the teachings of Islam, and I don't mean just the scriptures like the Koran, but the way it is taught and practiced today.
Many suicide bombers have been highly educated, including M.D's, but one remaining thing I want to explore with you.
You mention repeatedly that "These people have literally been fighting each other for THOUSANDS of years." Please post some sources, because here a quote from an extreme anti-Zionist website run by Jews who are opposed the creation of Israel, which I offer as proof that statement is nonsense.
http://www.cactus48.com/earlyhistory.html
"Before the 20th century, most Jews in Palestine belonged to old Yishuv, or community, that had settled more for religious than for political reasons. There was little if any conflict between them and the Arab population. Tensions began after the first Zionist settlers arrived in the 1880's...when [they] purchased land from absentee Arab owners, leading to dispossession of the peasants who had cultivated it." Don Peretz, "The Arab-Israeli Dispute."
I think you are confusing Christian-Muslim conflicts with Arab-Jewish ones!
BTW, this is my last post on this thread, so you get the last word.
How about in the Bible when Moses led the people out of Egypt, they were fighting then. It was a racial thing then, but became religious when Islam came along.
The extremist factor is more than an order of magnitude smaller among the "Jooz," PLUS this: among Muslims even most of the "moderate" ones wink-and-nod at the extremist jihads. Moderate Jews in Israel will much more likely tell you "no way if I can help it." Note too that the contemporary secular state of Israel has NEVER launched a war of adventure. Always, always, always it has been self defense.
"Our propping up of fascist Israel has made us a target. We need to quit supporting them"
this is a bad idea on so many facets. especially Biblical.
calling Israel fascist is parallel with Ahamdinejad today referring to Israel's recent defensive actions as akin to hitler. & this from one whose goals & ideology are that of neo nazis ie desiring Israel's destruction & denying the holocaust.
Postal, are you in agreement with our mortal enemy the leader of Iran ? based on your post you sound like an anti semitic muslim or an isolationist aryan antisemite.
are you either ? how do you expect to be perceived after saying that of Israel ?
"Shall we start taking sides in religious wars?"
9/11 was religiously motivated. should we thus not have not have responded ?
"We were one of the last countries to ban slavery."
the holdouts are mostly muslim.
muslims continue to enslave Christians & other muslims on the African continent et al. we need to halt this, militarily if necessary. some middle eastern immigrants even do the same here in the States to smuggled young women whom they treat as animals & force into demeaning & degrading labor.
"Japanese Imperialism , there would have been no war with Japan if we had not tried to confine them to their islands."
confinement?
Japan was all over the place in the pacific. you do recall that theater of WW2 yes ?? their fear of American citizens with rifles was what kept them from invading the U.S. after Pearl Harbor. i spent the 1st few years of life in Japan as a military brat right after the war as part of our military occupation. one of our own Japanese aquaintences had said that if they had won the war, they would have enslaved the U.S..
"our governments propaganda." most of what i consider propaganda i hear from leftists/democrats, communist agitators ie international answer, cindy sheehan, et al who prefer defeatist suicidal pacifism over sound national defense & who also label our own country's proactive self defense as imperialist aggression. they also tend to treat Israel & the U.S.'s common enemies/aggressors as victims instead of the instigating islamofascist communists they are.
got to Protestwarrior.com & zombietime.com. check out Protest Warrior's videos of the communist "antiwar activists" carrying palestinian flags & their podium speaker calling opposition to specific communist & or muslim islamofascist insurgencies in south America, the Philipines et al "occupations". that is propaganda & it isn't coming from the Bush administration. it's coming from American communists/socialists who display their agitprop literature at Democrat rallies on the Washington mall. why do they show up when democrats do ??? why do democrat statements against the war parallel some of the same ideas that the communist organization international Answer is pubicly stating ?? or that our enemies in Iran, Iraq, N. Korea, Afghanistan, Hizbollah, Hamas, Al Jazeerah are copying ??
on zombietime.com find the picture of the democrat founder of Moveon.org and the socialist/marxist political activist sitting together as consultants to take questions at a Berkely political gathering. also the one of cindy sheehan speaking at a maoist communist org's public rally & being real chummy with the leader.
thus, who is really stating propaganda & who is our enemy ??
is it the Bush adminstration, or the democrats, their cohorts & the axis of evil ??
the Communists [snip] still have control of more of the world than we do"
an aggressive military buildup ended the cold war. if Russia is covertly waiting to revert to full blown communism again, this would not surprise me. it's just more motivation for military preparation, vigilance & tough no nonsense international policy.
"(even if they do not call themselves that anymore)"
no, now they show themselves to be leftist college professors, individuals in the American democrat leadership & many in the LSM, possibly some RINOs & definitely specific political orgs masquerading as anti war protestors.
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