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1 posted on 07/14/2006 5:15:43 AM PDT by PDR
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To: Rex Anderson

PING


2 posted on 07/14/2006 5:16:15 AM PDT by PDR
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To: PDR

There is no middle ground. Illegal aliens should go home and apply like the rest of the PLANET. Walking across the border gives them no more rights than the millions who are waiting to LEGALLY enter America.


4 posted on 07/14/2006 5:28:03 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: PDR

Thank God there are strong principled men like Rep. Steve King.


7 posted on 07/14/2006 5:44:37 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: PDR
This is not an amnesty bill. The guest-worker program is completely separate from the naturalization process.

To those who think it is an amnesty. Unless the original penalty is enforced it is amnesty. Furthermore, it does provide a Green Card, which is a path to citizenship.
9 posted on 07/14/2006 5:47:54 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: PDR
Only Nixon Could Go to China, and Only Pence Could Sell Amnesty to the House

Whatever Happened to Mike Pence?

15 posted on 07/14/2006 6:13:49 AM PDT by kabar
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To: PDR
No Time for Statesmanship

Frum hits a home run on illegal aliens. The Pence plan is "shamnesty lite" with some provisions that are worse the Senate's version. Pathetic!

17 posted on 07/14/2006 6:17:44 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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Ya, it sounds like a great plan...if you're a friggin' illegal alien!

Senate bill seeks more pay for aliens [Than Citizens]

35 posted on 07/14/2006 8:28:13 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: PDR

Thanks for the article. Good read. Most Americans according to the polls also want a middle ground, but do want security of the border first.


37 posted on 07/14/2006 8:30:00 AM PDT by MACVSOG68
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To: PDR
Is John Kerry teaching his flip-flopping ways to the entire Senate? With thanks to Polipundit for reporting on the creatons:

They Voted For It, Before They Voted Against Paying For It!


This is disgusting, our Senators who months earlier voted to build a fence along the border, have just voted overwhelmingly NOT to pay for it!:

Less than two months after voting overwhelmingly to build 370 miles of new fencing along the border with Mexico, the Senate yesterday voted against providing funds to build it.
“We do a lot of talking. We do a lot of legislating,” said Sen. Jeff Sessions, the Alabama Republican whose amendment to fund the fence was killed on a 71-29 vote.

Did I mention this was disgusting? I haven’t yet looked at the Nay votes, but all of them, GOP, Democrat, should be voted right out of office. This is more of the same, 2 heads of the same stinkin’ elitist snake:

Virtually all Democrats were joined by the chamber’s lone independent and 28 Republicans in opposing Mr. Session’s amendment to the Homeland Security Appropriations Act. Only two Democrats – Sens. Ben Nelson of Nebraska and Thomas R. Carper of Delaware – supported funding the fence.
All told, 34 senators – including most of the Republican leadership – voted in May to build the fence but yesterday opposed funding it.
42 posted on 07/14/2006 8:45:22 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: PDR

Only things in the middle of the road are yellow stripes and dead animals.


45 posted on 07/14/2006 8:50:55 AM PDT by Little Ray (If you want to be a martyr, we want to martyr you.)
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To: PDR
Tough to find "middle ground when hundreds of rounds are whizzing by you:

Cross-border firefight shocks U.S. lawmen Hundreds of rounds shot from Mexico at local, federal officers in South Texas

46 posted on 07/14/2006 8:55:42 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: PDR; All

"But few border crossers are terrorists or criminals.">>>>>>>>>

Yeah right..../sarc

Here's 52,000 Americans & their families that *might* disagree with you

Keep in mind these are only the top three crimes, & the stats for *only* the last 5 1/2 years.

Read it & weep........

________________________________

Check out the following to see who is the bigger threat to American Citizens today, terrorists or illegals. Feel free to share it.

Over 19,000 Americans have died a violent death at the hands of murderous illegal aliens since 9/11 (12 a day).*

Over 20,000 Americans have died at the hands of uninsured drunk driving illegal aliens since 9/11 (13 a day).*

Over 13,000 American children are the victim of a sex crime at the hands of illegal aliens since 9/11 (8 a day).*

Less than 7,000 Americans have died on 9/11 and after due to terrorism, including those who died fighting terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan.

What is the bigger threat to Americans today, terrorist thugs or illegal aliens?

*Source – “Biting the hand that feeds you”. Written by Congressman Steve King (R, IA) on April 25, 2006. Source link: http://www.kingforcongress.com/clippings/desk-immigration4-06.htm


47 posted on 07/14/2006 9:01:58 AM PDT by txdoda (Voters to Gov't .......Re: post 9-11 Border Security....... ""The results are Unacceptable."")
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To: PDR
This is not an amnesty bill.

That is teh funny. Not just Amnesty, Pence Amnesty!
48 posted on 07/14/2006 9:06:12 AM PDT by mysterio
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49 posted on 07/14/2006 9:26:23 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: PDR

Congressman Pence's plan is an idea that has been shopped around by the Krieble Foundation. In mid-2005, the Krieble Foundation came to FAIR asking our support for its solution to the nation's illegal immigration crisis—a privatized guest worker program that allows illegal aliens to participate. As a core principle, FAIR is opposed to amnesties and mass guest worker programs. FAIR stayed true to its principles and refused to sign on to the Krieble Foundation proposal. Unfortunately, in a well-intentioned but misguided effort to break the ongoing stalemate between the House and Senate, Mr. Pence signed on.

Now called the "Pence plan" and "a compromise" by some, this guest worker program exceeds even the Senate's guest worker plan because there are NO NUMERICAL LIMITS for at least three years. Everyone in the world, including illegal aliens in the United States, is invited to get a guest worker visa, called a "W" visa. Guest workers are immediately allowed to apply for a green card and as long as a guest worker's green card application is pending, his W visa is indefinitely renewable. Thus, this plan is nothing more than a back door amnesty.

The Pence plan is not about finding a legislative means to end our immigration crisis; it is about importing unlimited cheap labor and yet again compromising the future of the American worker. It is no wonder that President Bush and Vice President Cheney were willing to spend so much time learning about this plan. The plan is a gift to those in big business who are willing to sell out the American worker in order to profit off of cheap foreign labor.


51 posted on 07/14/2006 9:41:41 AM PDT by Marine Inspector (Government is not the solution to our problem; Government is the problem)
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To: PDR
But few border crossers are terrorists or criminals.

Uh, actually, they're ALL criminals. By definition.

Pence is an idiot.

63 posted on 07/14/2006 1:59:15 PM PDT by AppleButter
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To: PDR

Middle ground on immigration is like "little bit pregnant"

no such animal.

Middle ground is just code for slow motion amnesty.


64 posted on 07/14/2006 2:04:30 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: PDR
Taking the middle ground on immigration reform

Taking the middle ground on rape

Taking the middle ground on genocide

Taking the middle ground on burglary

Taking the middle ground on arson

Taking the middle ground on famine

Taking the middle ground on lynching

>Taking the middle ground on slavery.

Compromise is not a virtue!

65 posted on 07/14/2006 3:07:32 PM PDT by MrEdd (Bad spellers of the world - UNTIE!,)
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TOM TANCREDO SUPPORTED A GUEST-WORKER PLAN BACK IN 2003. WHERE WAS YOUR GRIPING THEN?


67 posted on 07/15/2006 8:35:58 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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