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The (Russian) Roots of Islamic Terrorism (a must read!)
Eurasian Politician ^ | March, 2002 | Antero Leitzinger

Posted on 07/16/2006 12:56:33 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts

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A must read, from start to finish!
1 posted on 07/16/2006 12:56:38 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Tailgunner Joe; American in Israel; SJackson

Also see "Terrorists in Muslim Disguise"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1665681/posts


2 posted on 07/16/2006 12:57:56 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Mark for later....


3 posted on 07/16/2006 12:59:14 PM PDT by PajamaTruthMafia
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To: Tailgunner Joe; familyop; American in Israel; SJackson

For overall Russian strategy re: Middle East/Israel and some background on their current Minister of Foreign Affairs, "The Shadow Behind the Middle East Peace Conference" is also a good read:

http://www.attacreport.com/ar_archives/art_iswr1_shadow.htm


4 posted on 07/16/2006 1:02:48 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.

High Volume. Articles on Israel can also be found by clicking on the Topic or Keyword Israel.

also Keywords 2006israelwar or WOT [War on Terror]

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5 posted on 07/16/2006 1:04:34 PM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Saudi Arabia became after 1974 the main financier of international terrorism

long read but interesting article...
6 posted on 07/16/2006 1:13:34 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 4:15, John 11:25, John 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13)
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To: GodGunsGuts

As I recall, back in 1956 Fatah was sending fedayeen across the border to Israel to attack schools, and homes.

That was a bit before Afghanistan.

The term Assassin refers to Muslim terrorists doped up with Hashish, and used to attack less violent Muslims to coerce recruitment for campaigns against the Roman empire based on Constantinopolos. 9th, 10th, and 11th century stuff.


7 posted on 07/16/2006 1:16:16 PM PDT by Donald Meaker (Boy, that Rondell fellow plays all over the ice, eh?)
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To: silverleaf

mark to read


8 posted on 07/16/2006 1:19:18 PM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: Donald Meaker

http://www.jafi.org.il/education/100/maps/fed.html


9 posted on 07/16/2006 1:27:33 PM PDT by Donald Meaker (Boy, that Rondell fellow plays all over the ice, eh?)
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To: GodGunsGuts

bump


10 posted on 07/16/2006 1:39:59 PM PDT by fso301
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To: GodGunsGuts

Sorry, but Islamic terrorism started long before Soviet Russia was even a gleam in Lenin's eye.

Different western powers have tried to use Islamic viciousness, but it has always come back to bite them.


11 posted on 07/16/2006 1:40:16 PM PDT by livius
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To: livius

==Different western powers have tried to use Islamic viciousness, but it has always come back to bite them.

Yep, and the Russian Communists (including Putin et al) have been using it from at least 1916 until the present day. They need to be called to account for this.


12 posted on 07/16/2006 1:48:57 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Well, in all fairness, we tried to use them, too. Of course, so did the Spanish kings 1300 years ago (when they called on the notoriously vicious Muslims in a regional war) and all they got for their money was having their kingdoms taken over and then being killed. I think Russia is experiencing the same thing right now.

The lesson is that there are some critters so vicious the only thing you can do with them is put them down. You sure can't make alliances with them.


13 posted on 07/16/2006 1:52:09 PM PDT by livius
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To: SJackson
This in-depth, well researched overview is a must read, keeping in mind which nation is arming Syria, Iran and other anti-Western enemies.

Cold War echoes as Putin clashes with Bush at G8


14 posted on 07/16/2006 1:59:05 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: livius

True, but the point here is that the Russians are currently making common cause with the Terror Network against the US and its allies. They need to be called to account for this.


15 posted on 07/16/2006 1:59:31 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: M. Espinola

Excellent point! Thanks--GGG


16 posted on 07/16/2006 2:00:16 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: M. Espinola

Excellent cartoon too!


17 posted on 07/16/2006 2:00:54 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: livius

>Different Western powers have tried to use Islamic visciousness, but it has always come back to bite them<

And it will again.
Different Western powers - would you enlarge on that a bit, other than Germany, Ital and Spain that is. Thanks.


18 posted on 07/16/2006 2:15:19 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( on the cutting edge.)
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To: M. Espinola

Talk about loud body language! From my point of view, Putin's greeting to our president was definitely frosty to say the least!


19 posted on 07/16/2006 2:22:51 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( on the cutting edge.)
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To: M. Espinola
Here's some background information from PalestineFacts.org

What led to the Six Day War in 1967?

Military Provocation By Arab Countries and Soviet Disinformation [subheading down the page]

Excerpt:
At the same time, and unknown to the Israelis, the Soviet Union mounted a disinformation campaign pushing Egypt to join Syria against Israel. At that time, the Soviets were providing military and economic aid to both Syria and Egypt. On May 13, 1967 a Soviet parliamentary delegation visited Cairo and informed the Egyptian leaders that Israel had concentrated eleven to thirteen brigades along the Syrian border in preparation for an assault within a few days, with the intention of overthrowing the revolutionary Syrian Government. This was a complete fabrication designed by the Soviets to destabilize the Middle East. Similar false information may have been given to Egypt by the Soviets as early as May 2.


IMO, we should put ourselves in the shoes of various Russian leadership factions and look for likely motives. I recently saw something about Russia making a deal with Lebanon or Syria for a sea port, but I didn't keep the link.
20 posted on 07/16/2006 3:42:51 PM PDT by familyop (...fiddling while Lebanon burns.)
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To: familyop
Thanks for the eye opening link and the info. Russia has been supporting Syria as well as Iran, which in my book makes Russia the enemy and an equal partner in terrorism with Iran and her jihadist proxies.

Jihadist proxies

21 posted on 07/16/2006 4:33:44 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Thank you for your favourable comments.

The enemy of Israel is the same enemy we fight in Iraq and Afghanistan.


22 posted on 07/16/2006 4:40:10 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: Donald Meaker
The real enemy (Russia) behind the Iranian enemy - hard at work.

Russian and Iranian technicians work inside the reactor building of the Bushehr nuclear power plant, in southern Iran, February 2006. Iran has said that it was still counting on support from Russia and China over its disputed nuclear programme, and warned the referral of the issue back to the UN Security Council would derail any possible negotiations.(AFP/File/Behrouz Mehri)

23 posted on 07/16/2006 4:54:26 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: SJackson

Bookmarked.


24 posted on 07/16/2006 5:27:40 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Paperdoll
would you enlarge on that a bit, other than Germany, Italy and Spain that is.

The United States used mujahedeen to drive the Soviets out of Afghanistan in the 80s. For a well-written history of how we armed and trained the forces we now fight, read "Ghost Wars" by Steve Coll.

I'm not criticizing the policy decision to give the Soviets their own Vietnam; I'm just responding to your request to enlarge on a previous statement.

Had the Soviets won in Afghanistan and a communist regime taken root there, the Soviet Union may not have fallen apart and it may have taken many more years for OBL to get his act together. But all that would only have delayed the jihadists. They've been on the move for a long time; we just didn't notice until 9/11.

25 posted on 07/16/2006 5:49:15 PM PDT by lancer (If you are not with us, you are against us!)
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To: Paperdoll
>>>>>Different Western powers - would you enlarge on that a bit, other than Germany, Ital and Spain that is. Thanks.<<<<<<

Britan has created Wahhabism as a tool to control Muslims. It backfired badly.

26 posted on 07/17/2006 6:25:39 AM PDT by DTA
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To: Salem

Interesting background (and not surprising at all) - ping!


27 posted on 07/17/2006 6:37:12 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (The Arab League jihad continues on like a fart in an elevator - FR American in Israel)
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To: DTA

It didn't create Wahhabism, but it definitely used its movement to create Saudi Arabia.


28 posted on 07/17/2006 6:40:16 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Love is the fusion of two souls in one in order to bring about mutual perfection." -S. Terese Andes)
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To: familyop

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1658558/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1658282/posts


29 posted on 07/17/2006 6:50:22 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: GodGunsGuts

It is not suprising that the Russians block us in every way when we try to deal with their client states.


30 posted on 07/17/2006 6:54:42 AM PDT by Thunder90
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To: lizol; Lukasz; strategofr; GSlob; spanalot; Thunder90; Tailgunner Joe; propertius; REactor; ...

ping


31 posted on 07/17/2006 6:56:28 AM PDT by Thunder90
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To: Pyro7480
>>>>>>It didn't create Wahhabism, but it definitely used its movement to create Saudi Arabia.<<<<<

Found this on Daniel Pipes site .

32 posted on 07/17/2006 9:18:16 AM PDT by DTA
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To: GodGunsGuts

Kudos. Possibly the best post I have ever seen.


33 posted on 07/17/2006 1:59:12 PM PDT by strategofr (H-mentor:"pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it"Hillary's Secret War,Poe,p.198)
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To: GodGunsGuts

"Despite possible ideological objections, those communists and other extremists, who remained loyal to Russia’s strategic mission in the Middle East, were ready to serve it under a new ideological disguise. This was noticed by some researchers by mid-1980s:"

Notice. Some people figured this out 25 years ago. However, this idea is fairly unknown among the conservative mainstream. That is because the Russians have penetrated the conservative movement well enough to consistently deflect attention away. Note how striking this is. It is the central truth of our time, but obscure, barely known. Its level of circulation is akin to some odd scientific theory, of little interest.

Of course, the same Russian influence that deflects conservatives away from this thought deflects them away from the thought that the Russians have penetrated the conservative movement.

I will guarantee to you, if a large group of conservatives would become aware of this Russian penetration, conservative Republicanism would triumph in United States---and ultimately freedom would probably largely triumph in the world. However, this is extremely difficult to do.


34 posted on 07/17/2006 2:08:08 PM PDT by strategofr (H-mentor:"pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it"Hillary's Secret War,Poe,p.198)
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FYI


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35 posted on 07/17/2006 2:12:12 PM PDT by strategofr (H-mentor:"pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it"Hillary's Secret War,Poe,p.198)
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For later...


36 posted on 07/17/2006 2:12:50 PM PDT by Pantera
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To: DTA

"Britan has created Wahhabism as a tool to control Muslims. It backfired badly."

I'm pretty confident this is wrong. Wahhabism was created 300 years ago when a cleric named Wahhab formed alliance with a prince named Saud on the Saudi peninsula. This was also the beginning of Saudi Arabia.

The British government created the Baha'i religion. I believe you've gotten confused on this one.


37 posted on 07/17/2006 2:23:46 PM PDT by strategofr (H-mentor:"pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it"Hillary's Secret War,Poe,p.198)
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To: GodGunsGuts

If you find this interesting, you may enjoy reading Anatoly Golitsyn, a former high-ranking KGB agent who defected to the U. S. in 1961. His books are New Lies for Old and The Perestroika Deception.


38 posted on 07/17/2006 2:26:16 PM PDT by strategofr (H-mentor:"pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it"Hillary's Secret War,Poe,p.198)
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To: livius
the Koran forbids the use of force in matters of religion
Patently untrue!
Furthermore, Arab antisemitism was rife long before the Soviets (Russians) beccame heavily involved in the ME. The Jewish settlers in Palestine were fighting pre-fedayeen Arab terrorism instigated by the Turkish effendi from the 19th cen. The Shomrim (armed watchmen) were organized to combat this antiJewish violence. Fawzi Kaukji's armed thugs and the Army of the Jihad (supported by the pro-Nazi Grand Mufti of Jerusalem) were established in the 30s to kill Jews. The Pelmach (one of the first clandestine counter-terror groups) was started to hunt down and interdict these killers.
Furthermore, there were pro-Nazi regimes all over the ME during WWII. Pro-Nazi regimes were removed from power in Syria and Iraq. Iran was invaded because the Brits and Soviets were concerned about the pro-nazi Shah allowing Germany to build air and sub bases there. That Arabs and other ME Muslims were almost univerally pro-Nazi and pro-facist is only explained by their reflexive antisemitism and anti-Westernism.
This analysis is interesting and likely has some truth in it. However, AL Qaeda's (and militant Islam's) antisemitism, brutality, hatred for democracy, hatred for all things not Muslim, etc, is engrained in these people from their births. The real truth I can find in this is that Russians and ME Muslims share some unsavory traits.
39 posted on 07/17/2006 4:57:21 PM PDT by attiladhun2 (evolution has both deified and degraded humanity)
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To: DTA
"The Wahhabist sect was founded by Muhammed ibn Abd al-Wahhab. He railed against what he saw as the apostate condition of Islam in 18th century Arabia. He gathered together a group of discipiles and in 1744 he made an alliance with Muhammed ibn Saud, who ruled the small oasis town of Daraiya in central Arabia. This alliance was based on the teachings of ibn Taimiiya, a medieval reformer who believed the perfect Islamic society would be composed of two classes of authority: the ulama, who know sharia; and the umara, who wield the political power necessary to enforce it. The alliance between ibn Saud and al-Wahhab became the basis upon which the modern state of Saudi Arabia was established almost two centuries later...".
--C. Anderson, What Every Chritian Should Know About Islam.
40 posted on 07/17/2006 5:11:28 PM PDT by attiladhun2 (evolution has both deified and degraded humanity)
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To: strategofr
Interesting article, though as some Freepers have pointed out, there are glaring mistakes in the article. Never the less, one can see how the Russians have spun webs over the years. We must not forget the efforts made by the Nazi's in promoting anti-semitic, specifically anti-jewish conspiracies into some muslim factions.
Though the Russian may have with great affect used the Muslims in specific ways over the years, one must remember all the fuel was invented in the six/seventh/eight centuries , and has been used effectively many times in different forms and places. The Russians just make use of what was already in place but became rather dorment in the past few hundred years.
At any rate, I bookmark the article for future reference as required.
41 posted on 07/17/2006 6:32:20 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: GodGunsGuts

bttt


42 posted on 07/17/2006 6:59:00 PM PDT by KOZ.
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To: strategofr

==Kudos. Possibly the best post I have ever seen.

Wow. Thanks. Guess it's all downhill from here :o)


43 posted on 07/17/2006 8:02:50 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: strategofr

Thanks for the ping. Saving for later.


44 posted on 07/17/2006 9:33:11 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! www.irey.com and www.vets4Irey.com - Now more than Ever!)
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bump and later read.


45 posted on 07/17/2006 9:39:44 PM PDT by Sun (Hillary had a D-/F rating on immigration; now she wants to build a wall????)
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To: Just A Nobody

"Thanks for the ping"

You're welcome.


46 posted on 07/18/2006 6:39:50 AM PDT by strategofr (H-mentor:"pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it"Hillary's Secret War,Poe,p.198)
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"Wow. Thanks. Guess it's all downhill from here :o)"

You're welcome. Few topics are more important in my opinion.


47 posted on 07/18/2006 6:40:53 AM PDT by strategofr (H-mentor:"pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it"Hillary's Secret War,Poe,p.198)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Mark for later


48 posted on 07/18/2006 6:42:14 AM PDT by DarthVader (Conservatives aren't always right , but Liberals are almost always wrong.)
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"Interesting article, though as some Freepers have pointed out, there are glaring mistakes in the article."

The mistakes are matters of opinion, but it's not a discussion I want to delve into. Thanks for your interest.


49 posted on 07/18/2006 6:42:15 AM PDT by strategofr (H-mentor:"pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it"Hillary's Secret War,Poe,p.198)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Bump for reading later.


50 posted on 07/18/2006 6:43:58 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (A wall first. A wall now.)
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