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Plastic planes 'set to rule sky'
BBC ^ | : Sunday, 16 July 2006, 19:25 GMT 20:25 UK | Staff

Posted on 07/16/2006 8:03:59 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative

Britons travelling abroad are likely to be flying in plastic planes in the future, says the chief of Boeing.

All 737 planes would be made from non-metal materials, or composites, said president Alan Mulally.

Ahead of the Farnborough Air Show, the US plane giant boss said "all future planes will be made out of composites", because it does not corrode.

Millions of tourists fly in 737 planes each year. The Farnborough Air Show begins on Monday.

Composite are formed when two or more materials with differing properties are combined.

Such materials are already used in items such as tennis rackets and bicycle spokes.

The US company's new 787 Dreamliner - which is expected to make its first flight next year - is already being constructed using carbon fibre-reinforced plastic composites.

And he said the materials would be used when the company decided to update its popular 737 planes.

Mr Mulally said composites would be used to build up to half of each aircraft and would cut building and maintenance costs.

He predicted that the technology needed to build the new 737 planes would not be ready until the middle of the next decade.

"What's absolutely key is getting our technology to a position where it's right to do this," said Mr Mulally.

Mr Mulally predicted that airlines had now recovered sufficiently from the downturn in the wake of the 11 September attacks to begin adding new planes to their fleets.

Lighter composite materials are also thought to improve range and fuel efficiency.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News
KEYWORDS: 787; boeing; cfrp; plastic
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"What's absolutely key is getting our technology to a position where it's right to do this"

Alan Mulally


1 posted on 07/16/2006 8:04:02 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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2 posted on 07/16/2006 8:04:58 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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I'd rather have titanium. Composites are not cheap, either.


3 posted on 07/16/2006 8:06:27 PM PDT by GSlob
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I'd rather have titanium. Composites are not cheap, either.

They may not be cheap, but they require less labor to fabricate, and they don't require as much maintenance.

4 posted on 07/16/2006 8:07:51 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Paleo Conservative

Material flexibility was always a problem with composites. Looks like they 'cured' it. (/pun)


5 posted on 07/16/2006 8:09:28 PM PDT by JoeSixPack1
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To: Paleo Conservative

I always thought the aircraft industry missed the bet by not going with cast iron ;^)


6 posted on 07/16/2006 8:09:39 PM PDT by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: Paleo Conservative

What technology are they referring to? Is this technology any different from the 787?


7 posted on 07/16/2006 8:13:44 PM PDT by appeal2
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I always thought the aircraft industry missed the bet by not going with cast iron ;^)

The Wright brothers abandoned cast iron over a century ago. They built their own cast aluminum engine block to decrease weight, because no existing engines met their requirements. Perhaps Langley might have used it in his steam powered flying machines.

8 posted on 07/16/2006 8:13:55 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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Titanium needs preciously little maintenance, does not corrode and is impervious to sunlight/UV caused degradation [this last one is a bane of most plastics except teflon].


9 posted on 07/16/2006 8:14:02 PM PDT by GSlob
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Plastic planes are only used by criminals trying to evade metal detectors! Besides, people don't need to own planes. Police own planes. The military owns planes. If somebody needs help, they can call 911. Any fool can read the constitution and see that planes are intended for the military, and not for individuals. Plastic planes! The nerve!
10 posted on 07/16/2006 8:14:10 PM PDT by kittycatonline.com
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The current problem with composites is the difficulty of identifying internal cracking/crazing (or whatever). One phase of testing includes thumping on the suspect part like its a watermelon. Perhaps better non-destructible methods now exist--but I am not keen to see aircraft careening across the landscape/skyscape because of rudder or other control surface failure.


11 posted on 07/16/2006 8:15:02 PM PDT by petertare (!)
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Will airlines be able to buy 737 kits with punch-out parts? Will the kits come with the glue supplied?
12 posted on 07/16/2006 8:15:42 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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And its eco-friendly!
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13 posted on 07/16/2006 8:15:53 PM PDT by Number57 (I can whistle with my fingers too... especially if I have a whistle. (Mitch Hedberg))
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To: investigateworld
Cast Iron Aeroplane would be a good name for a Zeppelin tribute band.
14 posted on 07/16/2006 8:16:39 PM PDT by lesser_satan (EKTHELTHIOR!!!)
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What technology are they referring to? Is this technology any different from the 787?

He's talking about replacing all the existing Boeing product lines with aircraft using the materials developed for the 787. Airbus is in for a world of hurt. Their A380 will have a short lifespan. After Boeing develops its plastic replacement for the 737 and 757, they will develop a plastic replacement for the 777-300 and 747's. They will have much lower CASM than the A380 and cause Airbus to shut down the A380 program decades earlier than they expected.

15 posted on 07/16/2006 8:18:42 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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wasn't it a composite tail section that ripped of the Airbus over Rockaway NY?


16 posted on 07/16/2006 8:19:41 PM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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wasn't it a composite tail section that ripped of the Airbus over Rockaway NY?

I was reading that spilled hydraulic fluid was especially effective in weakening the composites Airbus used.

17 posted on 07/16/2006 8:21:31 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: GSlob

Titanium does weird things when exposed to certain types of radiation.


18 posted on 07/16/2006 8:22:14 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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What's the big deal. Didn't Wonder Woman flit about the sky in her transparant airplane?

UTD in Dallas has produced transparant nanotubes which are strong enough to make the space elevator tether. BTW didn't Scottie bring transparant aluminum to the 20th century?

19 posted on 07/16/2006 8:23:15 PM PDT by Young Werther
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New materials are being produced that are lighter than aluminum and stronger than steel, and I don't mean titanium.

Carbon-graphite, carbon-composite,carbon-fiberglass are what is being discussed, and are old technology. Car bodies, Kite frames, RC planes, boats, all of these use that technology.

Some of this is obviously going into rebuild of our current airframes.

But, there is newer technology coming soon.


20 posted on 07/16/2006 8:26:12 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I will go down with this ship, and I won't put my hands up in surrender.)
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