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Onward (This time the Israelis are going to finish the job) David Warren.
Real Clear Politics ^ | July 20, 2006 | David Warren

Posted on 07/21/2006 4:52:46 AM PDT by fanfan

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To: Starboard

Israeli Soldiers and tanks at the Lebanon border now.


21 posted on 07/21/2006 8:53:17 AM PDT by stopem (God Bless the U.S.A the Troops who protect her, and their Commander In Chief !)
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To: Starboard

Yup. Now is the right time. I hope Israel can end this once and for all. If the UN tries to stop them, we threaten to pull out and send their butts to Europe and make the UN bvuilding the new Israel Embassy.


22 posted on 07/21/2006 8:56:05 AM PDT by Ragtop (We are the people our parents warned us about)
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To: stopem

Israeli Soldiers and tanks at the Lebanon border now.

This is one front in the WoT, the most important one at the moment. The chief instigators and terrorist enablers, Iran and Syria, will need to be dealt with before long.


23 posted on 07/21/2006 9:00:09 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Ragtop
make the UN bvuilding the new Israel Embassy.

Good one! I like that.

24 posted on 07/21/2006 9:01:57 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Starboard

Israel deserves it. Of course every Arab in America will protest.


25 posted on 07/21/2006 9:02:45 AM PDT by Ragtop (We are the people our parents warned us about)
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To: Starboard

Israel told Lebanese civilians to leave border towns and the Lebanese army is vowing to resist what they refer to as an invasion:

"Lebanese army to resist any invasion: minister"

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2006-07-21T123123Z_01_L21850529_RTRUKOT_0_TEXT0.xml&WTmodLoc=NewsArt-L1-RelatedNews-3

Sounds like this will escalate now.


26 posted on 07/21/2006 9:04:31 AM PDT by stopem (God Bless the U.S.A the Troops who protect her, and their Commander In Chief !)
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To: Starboard

Iran and Syria will be watching closely. If ISrael rids the wortld of Hezbollah, Lebanon will be an Israel ally. I htink Israel should go in and overthrow the current regime in Syria as well. Iran will be the lone bad guy standing and I think that country is ripe for revolution.
But things will get a lot uglier before we see any good come of this. And if you believe in the Bible, they will again get worse.


27 posted on 07/21/2006 9:07:18 AM PDT by Ragtop (We are the people our parents warned us about)
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To: stopem
"Lebanese army to resist any invasion: minister"

This is an amusing statement considering that they're alrady occupied by a foreign militia, which met no resistance whatsoever. It would be laughable if things were not so serious at this point.

28 posted on 07/21/2006 9:14:22 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Starboard

http://www.jnewswire.com/article/994

"Iran planning to strike Israel?"

Iran is just sitting back at the moment and pulling the strings of Hesballah, will they enter the fray?

"The Azadegan Foundation, led by former Iranian diplomat Assad Homayoun, warned that Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad intends to use weapons of mass destruction against the Jewish state."


29 posted on 07/21/2006 9:18:12 AM PDT by stopem (God Bless the U.S.A the Troops who protect her, and their Commander In Chief !)
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To: Ragtop

Agree with you on Syria and Iran. Force regime change in the former and totally isolate the latter to encourage regime change. If something is not done about Iran soon, they are going to destabilize the entire region.


30 posted on 07/21/2006 9:26:24 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: stopem
Iran is just sitting back at the moment and pulling the strings of Hesballah, will they enter the fray?

That's the big question. This might be a little bit of a conundrum for them. If they openly join the attack, they are inviting serious retaliation if not annihilation. If they opt not to play an 'active' role it might appear to be backing away from supporting Hesballah, in which case they risk losing face.

31 posted on 07/21/2006 9:34:36 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: csvset

If only State, the MSM, Big business which loves Arab oil, will allow the USA to just do nothing as Israel finishes these bugs off.


32 posted on 07/21/2006 11:14:54 AM PDT by phillyfanatic
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To: Starboard

I agree.


33 posted on 07/21/2006 12:13:53 PM PDT by Ragtop (We are the people our parents warned us about)
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To: goldstategop

Yup, this is way overdue, and because it is so overdue it will be that much harder. Israel will prevail and heavy losses on both sides will occur. Hopefully the Lebanese army, despite its threats, will stay out of it. If they are smart they will sit back and wait, and then Lebanon will be sovereign again. If they are dumb and get involved they will be crushed and set way back, leaving a power vacuum to fill.

This was a good article.


34 posted on 07/21/2006 7:01:05 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: fanfan; HiTech RedNeck; flynmudd; csvset; Tolik; Chuck54; goldstategop; stopem; kittymyrib; ...
This is the nicest piece of political analysis I have seen in years. War is an aspect of politics. If "Politics is the Art of the Possible" then "War is the Art of Persuasion", shall we say?

Ariel Sharon knew exactly, precisely, what he was doing. His operations towards the end of his life were right out in the open and so easy to see and understand. I marvel at such virtuosity. He was one of the Great Captains. A Master.

This whole affair has an imprint, a sort of characteristic pattern, a certain exercise of the Art. I see the handiwork of another great Master, our President George Walker Bush.

I have been hoping, hoping. What if I was deluding myself? What if hope should prove forlorn? Oh, happy day, friends, THIS IS WORKING!

Folks, please put me on your ping lists, all of you. Thank you.

35 posted on 07/21/2006 9:59:50 PM PDT by Iris7 (Dare to be pigheaded! Stubborn! "Tolerance" is not a virtue!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Ariel Sharon played the moslems like Hendrix played a guitar.


36 posted on 07/21/2006 10:02:37 PM PDT by Iris7 (Dare to be pigheaded! Stubborn! "Tolerance" is not a virtue!)
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To: flynmudd

There are those who would make a defeat of our victory. They are not all living in foreign countries.

Reminds me of the Military Oath. "I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic..."

An oath is forever.


37 posted on 07/21/2006 10:09:03 PM PDT by Iris7 (Dare to be pigheaded! Stubborn! "Tolerance" is not a virtue!)
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To: Iris7

You are probably right about Sharon. He was born in the Palestine Mandate, fought for Israeli independence and led armies against the Arab forces and irregulars all his life. There was probably nobody better than he who knew the circumstances, the repercussions of actions, etc.

There is so little in our western public debate about Arab thought, Arab tactics, Arab aspirations and Arab fears. What discourse we do have is all so cliche ridden. "Occupation", "settlements", "collective punishment", etc, etc. But there are actually very real emotions, very real tactics. There are many who said Sharon was a bad strategist and a good tactician. Maybe they were right, or maybe becoming a good strategist takes wisdom of experience.

I think you are right. Sharon's moves were brilliant strategy. He has divided the Palestinians into three camps, each comingled on three separate pieces of land. Unifying their ideology is hard enough. Unifying them as a people may prove to be impossible. There is just no way the people of the West Bank will want to comingle with the people of Gaza, or the people living in camps in Lebanon, for so many ideological and sociological and economic reasons. I believe Sharon knew this better than anyone. He called the Palestinians' bluff, which is why their leaders hate the idea of unilateral withdrawals... it forces them to face their own monsters, their own divisions, their own fears and their own myths.

And now, Lebanon has to face their monsters too.

There is no better proof of the Palestinians' inability to unify than their rejection of President Clinton's offer. They were offered virtually everything they said they wanted, plus $30 billion in aid, but turned it down. Why? It's not such a mystery. In part its because they knew they could not unify, and in part its because they never really wanted to compromise to begin with.

Now that their bluff has been called, it's check mate in 3 moves, I think. There will be bloodshed, but as far as this is concerned it might as well be over. The Arabists are contained and the Islamists are about to be wiped out. Syria and Iran remain the last holdouts. With Iran out of the picture, Syria will capitulate. I think there will be no attack on Syria, it will be left to stew on the loss of every ally and every vassel it ever had, one by one by one until there is nothing left for them but reform.

Iran remains the strategic threat, and the western countries are not interfering with Israel's actions against Hezbullah because they know that before they can seriously address the Iranian nuclear problem first the Iranians' ability to distract and divert (in Lebanon and in Iraq) must be taken away from them.

Bush has 2 1/2 years left. He will leave, maybe unpopular, but over time will have earned himself a spot near the top of the list of greatest Presidents ever.


38 posted on 07/21/2006 10:26:16 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: foreshadowed at waco
"...they don't want a Shiite monolith in the ME run by the Persians/ Iranians, the only non Arab country besides Israel in the neighborhood...a nuclear Iran threatens them more than it threatens the USA..."

The thought of a nuclear Iran drives the Saudis into heart failure. The Sunni - Shi'ite split has been the epicenter of moslem politics since the assassination of Othman, the third caliph, led to the Battle of Karbala in 680 AD. (Karbala is a city sixty miles south-west of Baghdad. Iraq is important, that's why we are there.) The Sunnis believe Persians and the Shia intend to rule them with a rod of iron. I think they are correct in their belief, heh, heh.
39 posted on 07/21/2006 10:30:11 PM PDT by Iris7 (Dare to be pigheaded! Stubborn! "Tolerance" is not a virtue!)
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To: monkeyshine

It is interesting that you come to the same view of reality as I by a path so different from mine. Perhaps we may sojourn on together.

I suspect that our President may be one of the greatest of all the Great Captains. I have doubts, at times, and then suddenly the vision clears. The last few days have been that way for me.


40 posted on 07/21/2006 10:46:27 PM PDT by Iris7 (Dare to be pigheaded! Stubborn! "Tolerance" is not a virtue!)
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