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Detroit: Smoking ban causing nearly 300 to be laid off at Casino Windsor
United Pro Smoker's Newsletter ^ | July 20, 2006

Posted on 07/22/2006 3:57:14 PM PDT by SheLion

Nearly 300 union workers will be laid off by Casino Windsor due to declining revenues caused by Ontario's new smoking ban, casino officials said Wednesday.

The casino, which has nearly 4,000 employees, will lose 297 union workers over the next two weeks and immediately terminate 32 salaried employees, officials said, who also cited an unfavorable exchange rate and high gas prices for the decrease.

The law, which went into effect May 31, bans smoking in all public facilities, including bingo halls, bars, restaurants, sporting venues, stores, office buildings and Casino Windsor.

"This is a day that no one takes lightly. Layoffs or terminations are always a last resort," said Holly Ward, the casino's manager of corporate communications, told The Detroit News. "It's safe to say the business is softening right now. If revenue is declining, we can only wait for so long to react."

Casino officials declined to say how much business had dropped.

Analysts predicted a smoking ban at Casino Windsor would cause the casino to lose business to Detroit's casinos, which allow smoking.

About 80 percent of Casino Windsor customers come from nearby metropolitan Detroit and elsewhere in the United States.

Teresa Roncon, a spokeswoman for the Ontario Lottery and Gaming Corp. in Toronto, which owns Casino Windsor, said the low exchange rate has made Windsor less favorable to gamblers.

Under the current exchange rate, Americans receive $1.13 Canadian for every $1 American. In the past, the exchange has been as high as $1.68 Canadian, luring many Americans across the border.


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1 posted on 07/22/2006 3:57:19 PM PDT by SheLion
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To: Just another Joe; Madame Dufarge; Cantiloper; metesky; Judith Anne; lockjaw02; Mears; CSM; ...
SMOKING BANS ARE CHOKING OUR ECONOMY!!!
2 posted on 07/22/2006 3:58:57 PM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: SheLion

They obviously don't have the muscle casinos in NJ have. Our casinos are exempt from the ban. Well, actually--and this is even funnier--smoking is only allowed on the floor where the gambling takes place, not in the shops or outer areas. I bet the casinos put that detail in themselves! Detroit needs some Johnny Goombas to fix this little problem. Call someone to take care of it.


3 posted on 07/22/2006 4:00:33 PM PDT by Huck (George Allen--the GOP version of Al Gore.)
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To: SheLion

I'll bet the libs are blaming the unemployment on Bush .


4 posted on 07/22/2006 4:00:41 PM PDT by lionheart 247365 (( I.S.L.A.M. stands for - Islams Spiritual Leaders Advocate Murder .. .. .. ))
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To: All
Attention all business owners suffering from a smoking ban.
Please fill out this form and submit it for a new web page
Ban Loss

5 posted on 07/22/2006 4:01:12 PM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: SheLion

Cig taxes are choking our economy. In NJ, they just went up again. Getting near $7/pack. Only $4 in PA, but some ppl are still too stupid/lazy to drive to PA and stock up on cigs. Anyway, the money goes to the gubmint and squeezes mostly low income stupid ppl.


6 posted on 07/22/2006 4:02:13 PM PDT by Huck (George Allen--the GOP version of Al Gore.)
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To: Huck
They obviously don't have the muscle casinos in NJ have. Our casinos are exempt from the ban. Well, actually--and this is even funnier--smoking is only allowed on the floor where the gambling takes place, not in the shops or outer areas. I bet the casinos put that detail in themselves! Detroit needs some Johnny Goombas to fix this little problem. Call someone to take care of it.

However, if the revenue isn't there, they can't afford to pay everyone.  I'm sure it's will be the same in New Jersey.

Who is going to pay the employees?  The state?

7 posted on 07/22/2006 4:03:07 PM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: SheLion

Well that settles it. I'll never go to a Casino in Windsor. In fact, I'll not go to Windsor. Sure wish we could get Comrade Granholm to go back.


8 posted on 07/22/2006 4:05:29 PM PDT by ASA Vet (3.03)
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To: Huck
Cig taxes are choking our economy. In NJ, they just went up again. Getting near $7/pack. Only $4 in PA, but some ppl are still too stupid/lazy to drive to PA and stock up on cigs. Anyway, the money goes to the gubmint and squeezes mostly low income stupid ppl.

You're lucky!  Maine just raised the cigarette taxes to $2 dollars a pack and $10 dollars a carton!  The cheapest cigarettes we can buy in Maine is Doral, and they run around $45 dollars a carton!!  ack!

Premiums run around $60 a carton is not higher.

See why I roll my own???  heh!

9 posted on 07/22/2006 4:06:05 PM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: SheLion

One of the reasons our local Indian Casinos are very popular is that smokers can indulge (most casinos have or are designating smallish parts as non-smoking, however, to keep the peace pipe going). Here in the desert (Check my page for current temp!) being able to smoke indoors in a public place is quite popular.


10 posted on 07/22/2006 4:06:27 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (Meep Meep)
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To: SheLion

Like I said, in NJ, you can smoke in casinos on the gambling floor. So they don't have any problems. The part I like is you can actually smoke cigars, which is a rare privelage. All the cig smokers whine and moan about not being allowed to smoke in restaurants and bars. I say boo-hoo. Try being a cigar smoker. It's almost never ok to smoke cigars, even where cigarettes are permitted.


11 posted on 07/22/2006 4:06:48 PM PDT by Huck (George Allen--the GOP version of Al Gore.)
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To: SheLion
Teresa Roncon, a spokeswoman for the Ontario Lottery and Gaming Corp. in Toronto, which owns Casino Windsor, said the low exchange rate has made Windsor less favorable to gamblers.

Under the current exchange rate, Americans receive $1.13 Canadian for every $1 American. In the past, the exchange has been as high as $1.68 Canadian, luring many Americans across the border.

That's too bad about the exchange rate.

12 posted on 07/22/2006 4:07:14 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: ASA Vet
Well that settles it. I'll never go to a Casino in Windsor. In fact, I'll not go to Windsor. Sure wish we could get Comrade Granholm to go back.

It's pathetic!  And do you think the anti's care about people losing their jobs?  Not in a million years!

13 posted on 07/22/2006 4:07:38 PM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: SheLion
Casino Windsor, said the low exchange rate has made Windsor less favorable to gamblers

Bet a Loony win a Loony what does the exchange rate have to do with it?

14 posted on 07/22/2006 4:09:00 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (999-TNS)
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To: Huck
Like I said, in NJ, you can smoke in casinos on the gambling floor. So they don't have any problems. The part I like is you can actually smoke cigars, which is a rare privelage. All the cig smokers whine and moan about not being allowed to smoke in restaurants and bars. I say boo-hoo. Try being a cigar smoker. It's almost never ok to smoke cigars, even where cigarettes are permitted.

OIC.  Well, better that then nothing, that's for sure!

15 posted on 07/22/2006 4:09:18 PM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: SheLion
I don't know what crap brands like Doral go for, but the leading brands are all around $6.65 or thereabouts. Sounds like the prices are pretty similar to yours for top brands.

When I started smoking cigs full time they were 1.10 a pack. When I quit cigs they were 2.15 a pack. Glad I got out when I did. I had a nice career as a smoker, but I was glad to hang it up.

16 posted on 07/22/2006 4:09:23 PM PDT by Huck (George Allen--the GOP version of Al Gore.)
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To: SheLion
The Mall of America in Mn. Shutdown all the bars and restaurants on the 4th floor due to a ban. Only Hooters remains.
17 posted on 07/22/2006 4:10:54 PM PDT by Brimack34
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To: SheLion

Honestly...I'm embarrassed for ya'...


18 posted on 07/22/2006 4:11:22 PM PDT by dakine
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To: Mike Darancette; Moonman62
Bet a Loony win a Loony what does the exchange rate have to do with it?

I didn't comment on the exchange rate.  Ask Moonman62.  He seems to be concerned about it.

19 posted on 07/22/2006 4:11:38 PM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: SheLion
See why I roll my own??? heh!

I'm too clumsy and lazy...I'll drive over to Palm Springs (if they're not having one of their gay pride parades that week) and pay $14.00 - period, no sales tax - per carton for decent Canadian manufactured ciggies...(they do internet/mail order and claim to be immune from that taxation business going on)

They're in a shopping center on Tribal land, as is much of the entire city of Palm Springs.

Googleize 'em if you like: Black Hawk Tobacco

20 posted on 07/22/2006 4:12:06 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (Meep Meep)
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To: SheLion
There is a bright side. The addicted can just cross over/under the river and gamble in Detoilet, they need the jobs.
21 posted on 07/22/2006 4:12:22 PM PDT by ASA Vet (3.03)
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To: SheLion

Toronto and Mississauga will be hit the hardest. I know I vacationed in Toronto back in August of 2004. Lots of smokers then.


22 posted on 07/22/2006 4:12:33 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (404 Page Error Found)
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To: Huck

"Detroit needs some Johnny Goombas to fix this little problem. Call someone to take care of it."

I’ll call “Nunzio” and “Two Finga Frankie”.


23 posted on 07/22/2006 4:12:41 PM PDT by FMBass (“Now that I’m sober I watch a lot of news” – Garofalo: From “Treason” by Coulter)
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To: SheLion
I went to an Indian casino in California that allows smoking. They offered a non-smoking section which was surrounded by smokers less than 10 feet away. I exercised my right to not breath second-hand smoke and never returned. I go to Vegas where I can always find a no-smoking casino.
24 posted on 07/22/2006 4:13:31 PM PDT by Ben Mugged
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To: ErnBatavia
(Check my page for current temp!)

Your thermometer must be broke but since it's it's 112 in Rancho Cucamonga it must be 120 there.

25 posted on 07/22/2006 4:13:33 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (999-TNS)
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To: Brimack34
The Mall of America in Mn. Shutdown all the bars and restaurants on the 4th floor due to a ban. Only Hooters remains.

~sigh

Well, Hooters is a big chain.  They can afford the loss of revenue.  That's the problem with these bans.  Only  the smaller business suffer.  Your big chains could care less.

They are probably glad about this.  They think this will just give them more business! :(


26 posted on 07/22/2006 4:14:17 PM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: dakine
Honestly...I'm embarrassed for ya'...

Embarrassed for ME??!!  LOL

Why on earth would you be embarrassed for ME????

27 posted on 07/22/2006 4:15:28 PM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: SheLion
The American dollar doesn't go as far in Canada as it used to. I know that place on Riverfront Drive. The best thing about Windsor is the Detroit skyline view. Awesome!

(Go Israel Go! Slap 'Em Down Hezbullies.)

28 posted on 07/22/2006 4:16:11 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: ErnBatavia
I'm too clumsy and lazy...I'll drive over to Palm Springs (if they're not having one of their gay pride parades that week) and pay $14.00 - period, no sales tax - per carton for decent Canadian manufactured ciggies...(they do internet/mail order and claim to be immune from that taxation business going on)

Well, I have no choice.  I am 10 minutes from the Canadian border, but I can't stand their cigarettes.

And Bangor is 3.5 hours south of me.  So..............the next best thing is to roll my own.

29 posted on 07/22/2006 4:17:14 PM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: Huck
privelage.

Cigar snobs should probably learn how to spell "privilege" before lifting their leg on "stupid" cigarette smokers.

30 posted on 07/22/2006 4:26:53 PM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: SheLion
They're running about $50-60/carton in Chicago ..the city who can't tax enough or get enough $$ for their cafeteria of social programs, just keeps layering on the fees and taxes.

The casinos in Indiana, however, are very creative: they just charge $10 a pack!! LOL

31 posted on 07/22/2006 4:27:09 PM PDT by STARWISE (They (Rats) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: Mike Darancette

It ain't broke! This would be a perfect afternoon to fire up the Weber, since it's halfway preheated already.


32 posted on 07/22/2006 4:35:25 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (Meep Meep)
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To: Huck

Heh! The casinos in Colorado are excempt as well. But the tobaccophobe law has these few words in it: "Employees have the right to a smoke free workplace." And since casinos have employees as well, this law would be required to apply there, too.

I contend that this conflict makes this an illegal law and it should be thrown out because of it. But the revealing thing about it is that the idiot elected morons are saying, "I didn't even read this in the law when I signed it."


33 posted on 07/22/2006 5:08:18 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: Madame Dufarge

LOL. Spelling. The last refuge of idiots with no argument.


34 posted on 07/22/2006 6:10:21 PM PDT by Huck (George Allen--the GOP version of Al Gore.)
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To: Huck

Chill out...........I know most of us have never been happy with the fact cigar and/or pipes were not permitted where cigarettes are.


35 posted on 07/22/2006 6:15:38 PM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: Gabz

I'm chilled, baby.


36 posted on 07/22/2006 6:17:52 PM PDT by Huck (George Allen--the GOP version of Al Gore.)
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To: Huck

Nice try.


37 posted on 07/22/2006 6:20:26 PM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: Madame Dufarge

Are you really this big of an idiot, or do you just play one on the internet?


38 posted on 07/22/2006 6:28:44 PM PDT by Huck (George Allen--the GOP version of Al Gore.)
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To: Huck

I ain't your baby.


39 posted on 07/22/2006 6:31:49 PM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: Huck; Madame Dufarge

Get a grip...........and your tag line is offensive.


40 posted on 07/22/2006 6:33:04 PM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: Huck
Is it possible that you have no awareness of how utterly tiresome your years' long obsession with smokers is?

Is making a fool of yourself over the issue an actual goal, or are you so caught up in your personal holy war that you're blinded to the obvious?

41 posted on 07/22/2006 6:34:42 PM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: SheLion

Thanks for the pings.

I'll be back........


42 posted on 07/22/2006 7:42:23 PM PDT by 383rr ((those who choose security over liberty deserve neither; GUN CONTROL=SLAVERY)
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To: SheLion

Thanks for the ping!


43 posted on 07/22/2006 10:13:43 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Huck
I had a nice career as a smoker, but I was glad to hang it up.

How is your career as an anti-smoking zealot going?

We're all ready for you to give that up.

44 posted on 07/23/2006 7:19:11 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: Huck
The title is misleading. The Casino in Detroit is still smoking, I asked on Friday if it was ok to smoke. The guard laughed and said "It's the casino across the river, ya know, Canada?"

So, the Canadian casino is smoke free. Must have something to do with all that "free health care" they get!
45 posted on 07/23/2006 7:22:32 PM PDT by blu (People, for God's sake, think for yourselves)
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To: Gabz
your tag line is offensive.

Poor baby.

46 posted on 07/24/2006 12:03:54 AM PDT by Huck (George Allen--the GOP version of Al Gore.)
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To: SheLion

Until someone's ox is gored, they won't care about the repercussions of their actions.

There is some amusing crap on these threads...


47 posted on 07/24/2006 7:36:41 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (If you don't understand the word "Illegal", then the public school system has failed you.)
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To: SheLion

I'm sure gas prices, the car manufacturer layoffs and the exchange rate have nothing to do with the drop off in revenues. Yep, only smoking bans caused the decrease.


48 posted on 07/24/2006 12:40:48 PM PDT by Raycpa
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