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To: seasoned traditionalist
As outlined in my Post, those like yourself are quick to criticize us and admonish us and suggest that we cut back or quit, but YOUSE guys/gals, NEVER come out for an outright ban on all tobacco products.

Freon was banned by increasing the tax on it and limiting its use. Cigarettes are following the same path. As long as smokers keep paying it, the taxes will increase.

As for why these bans are taking place, you are in denial if you think its fear of being exposed to SHS or that 60 to 70% of the population supporting it want to control what you breathe or eat. The simple but unstated fact is they don't like the smell. They prefer to have dinner without smoke.

It would not have been an issue if smokers adopted the posture and politeness that is offered by pipe and cigar smokers. These smokers have traditionally been very polite in their smoking. On the other hand cig smokers could care less if the other person near them is bothered. In fact many smokers think the nonsmoker is just being a baby about the smoke and those who claim allergies are just pretending or psychologically disturbed.

Some smokers are so militant or addicted they subject their kids to smoke in close spaces. These folks go beyond rude and border on abuse. If they can't even have the decency to refrain from smoking around thier own children, who would expect they have the deceny to respect others without being forced ?

17 posted on 07/23/2006 5:32:31 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Raycpa
Well, Mr. Ray, you make my point once again

Ranting and raving about us smokers, etc., etc., etc., yet again, in several par graphs, I DON'T SEE YOU COMING OUT AND SUPPORTING A COMPLETE BAN OF ALL TOBACCO PRODUCTS.

Why is that Mr. Ray?

Ill tell you why.

Its pure, unadulterated, Liberal-like, BS and major hypocrisy one your part, if you ask me.

19 posted on 07/23/2006 5:37:18 AM PDT by seasoned traditionalist (ALL MUSLIMS ARE NOT TERRORISTS, BUT ALL TERRORISTS WHO WANT TO DESTROY OUR COUNTRY, ARE MUSLIMS)
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To: Raycpa

You are and always have been, the southern end of a north-bound horse.


25 posted on 07/23/2006 5:52:13 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: Raycpa
Freon was banned by increasing the tax on it and limiting its use

Freon isn't banned, DuPont's patent on R-19 expired and coincindentially the Gov't mandated a change to R134 for "environmental reasons".

Stioll ots and lots of freon out there, especially in larger chillers; R-19 was a consumer product. Nice try, though.

43 posted on 07/23/2006 7:59:25 AM PDT by par4 (If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything)
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To: Raycpa

"These folks go beyond rude and border on abuse"

You got that right! That description fits the IRS to tee!


47 posted on 07/23/2006 8:36:03 AM PDT by 383rr (Those who choose security over liberty deserve neither- GUN CONTROL=SLAVERY)
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To: Raycpa

"Freon was banned by increasing the tax on it and limiting its use"

Wow. Your car must have the world's first hypo-non-froenic-air-conditioner.
I haven't ran across one yet in the shop. I'm glad you mentioned it, as I can now get rid of all my AC equipment.


48 posted on 07/23/2006 8:39:10 AM PDT by 383rr (Those who choose security over liberty deserve neither- GUN CONTROL=SLAVERY)
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To: Raycpa
On the other hand cig smokers could care less if the other person near them is bothered.

I light up to cover up the smell of non-smokers.

53 posted on 07/23/2006 9:32:08 AM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: Raycpa
It would not have been an issue if smokers adopted the posture and politeness that is offered by pipe and cigar smokers. These smokers have traditionally been very polite in their smoking.

Ray, you have got to be kidding on this one. I'd rather be locked in a room with 10 cigarette smokers than one pipe or cigar smoker. The sickening, cloying smell of most pipe and cigar tobacco would gag a maggot and it just goes on and on and on because it takes them forever to finish it or put it away.

I've also never noticed pipe and cigar smokers being any more or less polite than cigarette smokers. I think you are just reaching here trying to sound less militant while you justify your attitude.

63 posted on 07/23/2006 10:37:03 AM PDT by Elyse
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To: Raycpa
They prefer to have dinner without smoke.

Can't cook without smoke, Ray.

Some of us prefer to have dinner without Pecksniffs.

73 posted on 07/23/2006 6:46:48 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: Raycpa
These folks go beyond rude and border on abuse. If they can't even have the decency to refrain from smoking around thier own children, who would expect they have the deceny to respect others without being forced ?

It takes an awful lot of nerve, or a massive ego, or a religious conviction on the smoking question to say something like that, Ray.

Or maybe all of the above.

74 posted on 07/23/2006 6:50:43 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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