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When Will They Ever Learn... (American Jews)
Weekly Standard ^ | July 31, 2006 issue | David Gelernter

Posted on 07/24/2006 3:30:21 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative

FOR YEARS I have watched the Palestinians do absurdly self-destructive things, and have never understood them until now. But watching the Bush administration stoutly defend Israel this week against the background of an American Jewish population that vocally (often sneeringly) dislikes him and his administration, and consistently votes by massive majorities for his Democratic opponents, I start to understand the Palestinians just a little.

American Jews are not Palestinians and have not sunk to the level of supporting terrorist murderers. But their behavior is a lesson in self-destructive nihilism that could teach even the Palestinians a thing or two. U.S. Jews remain fervent supporters of an American left that is increasingly unable or unwilling to say why Israel must exist. Of course American Jews, like all Americans, define their interests in terms of many issues and not just one. But there is a reason why so many used to put Israel's safety near the top of their lists: Israel has been caught in a life-or-death struggle since birth; American support is critical to her survival.

True: Jewish support for President Bush moved upward in the 2004 election relative to the 2000 figures. It moved all the way up to 25 percent. During the five presidential elections of the 1970s and '80s, American Jews averaged 35 percent support for the Republican candidate, so 25 percent for Bush in '04 was not exactly a landslide move to the GOP. But even this pint-sized move seems to have petered out earlier this year. Jack Abramoff does not make an attractive spokesman for Jewish Republicans. The fall of Tom DeLay silenced one of the best friends Israel ever had in American politics, and one of the most effective symbols of Republican support for Israel. So the pattern of the '90s is likely to continue: American Jews move left as the left moves away from Israel.

Merely look at American universities and their disastrous left-wing tilt (many are close to capsizing), and check out recent studies that document a startling deterioration in knowledge of and sympathy for Israel on U.S. college campuses, and you will learn plenty about the American left and its increasingly anti-Israel tendencies.

When you vote for a presidential candidate, you are voting to award jobs to a few of his supporters, and influence to vast numbers of them. Most Democratic politicians speak up for Israel. But grassroots Demo crats are increasingly dangerous to the Jewish state (not to mention the American state). Still, American Jews vote for (and bankroll!) Democrats. And each time they repeat this performance, the risk is greater.

Will they risk it again in 2008? Will the Arabs force Israel into yet another round of catastrophic, self-destructive bloodletting after this round is over? In both cases, probably yes.

American Jews (especially the intellectual leadership) have a tragic history of acting against their own professed interests. In the years before Pearl Harbor, U.S. intellectuals on the whole (especially New York intellectuals) vehemently opposed American entry alongside Britain into the war against Nazi Germany. Of course many New York intellectuals were not Jews, and many American Jews didn't care for New York intellectuals. But journals like Partisan Review helped shape the cultural climate--and were fiercely antiwar until Pearl Harbor--and were shaped, themselves, by Jewish intellectuals. Leading Jewish intellectuals signed a Partisan Review statement explaining that "Our entry into the war, under the slogan of 'Stop Hitler!' would actually result in the immediate introduction of totalitarianism over here. . . . The American masses can best help [the German people] by fighting at home to keep their own liberties."

Before Pearl Harbor, many prominent (non-intellectual) U.S. Jews failed to support war against Hitler because they were scared--understandably if unforgivably. Anti-Semitism was still real in this country, Jewish influence in America was brand new, and Jews did not want to be blamed for involving their country in another world war. Which makes the case of Partisan Review and other intellectual organs so fascinating. In some respects, left-wing Jewish intellectuals were admirably fearless. Most were Marxists and didn't give a damn what the country thought of them. Nonetheless: The Partisan Review crowd did not speak up for war against Hitler. Just the opposite.

Read that ancient Partisan Review statement and the truth hits home. The problem with the American Jewish left, from 1940 through 2006, is not malevolence but naiveté--naiveté so great, it is the next best thing to stupidity. Naiveté is an occupational hazard among all intellectuals. But American Jews at large respect their intellectuals as much as any group does, and more than most--and way too much for common sense.

The Palestinian Arabs who cheer terrorists on do so out of hate, which is far stronger than intelligent self-interest (or any other emotion). American Jews used to act out of very different motives; used to vote left out of idealism. But that is starting to change. As the left-wing agenda dries up, nothing remains to feed on (if you are used to getting your nourishment left of center) but the bitter weeds of hate. And thus the tragic, pathetic surge of hatred for Click to learn more... George Bush on the left, including among left-wing Jews. As I heard someone say last week, "I think Bush is doing great on Israel. Naturally, I still hate his guts."

For those who continue to insist on voting Democratic, the future is written in a recent column by Richard Cohen--who explains that the "greatest mistake Israel could make at the moment is to forget that Israel itself is a mistake." Who advises Israel to "hunker down," while "waiting (and hoping) that history will get distracted and move on to something else." It is hard to understand why Israel is a mistake if Switzerland isn't--or the United States, or any other nation or (for that matter) human being. Cohen himself is occupying space right now that someone else could be using, and maybe wants to. The earth's surface did not expand to make room for him. Births have outstripped deaths on this planet for many generations. But we are not in the habit of demanding that human beings justify their existence or be mowed down, and the idea is equally bad in the case of nations.

Life is valuable in itself--human life or the life of nations; one of the main differences being that it is so much harder to create a nation. That the Israelis have done so--have created in fact a free nation and a hugely productive one that treats all its citizens humanely and is a world center of science, medicine, scholarship, and argument (all flavors)--is one of the stunning facts of modern history.

And, of course, the origins of no two nations more resemble each other than Israel's and America's, both created by Europeans clutching Bibles, searching for freedom, prepared to fight for a room of their own. Both populated by human beings, a species not noted for perfection. Yet both strongholds of democracy, freedom, and tolerance nonetheless. Anyone who has decided that Israel is a mistake is likely to come around to the same view of the United States.

But let's consider Cohen's offensive question anyway. Imagine how Jews might have fared in the Middle East over the last half century with no Jewish state to protect them. Would they have done as well as the Syrians, Egyptians, Libyans? Or would they all be dead, along with countless other victims of mass-murdering Arab tyrants? Or should the Middle East have been "restricted," like tony New York clubs in the 1930s--no Jews allowed? And Europe doesn't like Jews any better than the Middle East does; should Europe be restricted too? And what about America?

But Jews no longer have to ask such questions. Cohen may not be so sure that Jews have the same rights as other nations, but thanks to Israel's existence the question is closed and his view no longer matters. One thing is certain: Palestinians and left-wing American Jews would understand each other beautifully if they ever got together for a conference on refusing to face reality.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; Israel; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: americanjews; bush; democrat; israel; jews; judaism; liberalism; republican; zionism

1 posted on 07/24/2006 3:30:23 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative
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To: West Coast Conservative

bttt


2 posted on 07/24/2006 3:31:19 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I've always wanted to be 40 ... it's as good as I anticipated!)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Gerlernter knows of whence he speaks, having been the victim of a terrorist attack himself by Al Gore's protege, the Unabomber.


3 posted on 07/24/2006 3:35:54 PM PDT by Salvey (ancest)
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To: West Coast Conservative
--good article--as is anything by David Gelernter, who, for those unfamiliar was a victim of the "Unabomber"--

The point he makes here is also demonstrated by the typical Jewish intellectual attitude toward firearms ownership--

4 posted on 07/24/2006 3:37:13 PM PDT by rellimpank (Don't believe anything about firearms or explosives stated by the mass media---NRABenefactor)
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To: Tax-chick

1. Here are your Israeli "friends" [via Fox]:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAoe26MaTew&search=fox%20news

2. Jews in the US know exactly what they re doing. They are pushing George into a corner, where he has to massively support Israel to get even 1 more Jewish vote, knowing how much they dislike the conservatives, but how important they are in the electoral college system. On top, they have the Dems in their pocket. The result: It does not matter who wins the WH, they have max support for Israel. Pretty clever heh?


5 posted on 07/24/2006 3:40:00 PM PDT by seppel
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To: West Coast Conservative
I have my own opinions as to why many Jews are staunch supporters of the Democrats.

But one that stands out stems from something a Jewish friend and college roommate told me back at Syracuse University many years ago.

To paraphrase, he said 'Jews don't like Republicans because we associate them all with Right Wing Christians who claim Jesus is the Messiah. That is offensive to us.'

6 posted on 07/24/2006 3:40:15 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: seppel

I beg your pardon? I'm just interested in reading Gelernter's article, because I think he's an excellent writer.


7 posted on 07/24/2006 3:41:44 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I've always wanted to be 40 ... it's as good as I anticipated!)
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To: seppel
Jews in the US know exactly what they re doing. They are pushing George into a corner, where he has to massively support Israel to get even 1 more Jewish vote, knowing how much they dislike the conservatives, but how important they are in the electoral college system. On top, they have the Dems in their pocket. The result: It does not matter who wins the WH, they have max support for Israel. Pretty clever heh?

Yup, us Jews are the slickest political manipulators the world has know.

8 posted on 07/24/2006 3:58:44 PM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
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9 posted on 07/24/2006 3:59:30 PM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Gelertner is always refreshing. And Skewering of Lib's. I like both of those things.


10 posted on 07/24/2006 4:00:54 PM PDT by keithtoo (The GOP is fortunate that the Dim's are even more spineless and disorganized.)
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To: seppel

Give me a break.


11 posted on 07/24/2006 4:01:48 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (God Protect Israel.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

The problem isn't the fact that they are Jews. Nor is it Judaism itself. The author correctly mentioned Nihilism as the force that guides them and those who pander to facists out to destroy Israel.

Nihilism is the problem, whether expressed by Jews or Communists or Christians. Ultimately, Western self loathing and the fear of value judgements creates a pool of cold pacifism that is unable to boil even when a hot knife is plunged into it.

We only mention Jews because Israel is involved.


12 posted on 07/24/2006 4:05:57 PM PDT by navyguy
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To: SkyPilot

I dunno. Sadly, many Jews don't even know what it is to be Jewish anymore. Their new G-d is Liberalism and it has its own set of commandments which don't match the old one. Many liberal Jews are intolerant of Israel because Israel must be militarily aggressive to survive--this does not fit into their world-view. Same with Orthoox Jews--they don't embrace homosexuality and still respect the old traditions. As a result, they are viewed on with suspicion and animosity by their liberal bretheren.

How did this happen? Very slowly. It has mostly to do with the tug of education (to the Left) at the same time that Rabbis lack the moral backbone to tell their congregations that they are wrong.

That being said, the above phenomenon is NOT just limited to the Jews. It infects the Christian Left as well. Which is why both groups are slowly disappearing. That is the fate of those who have ceased to believe in G-d.


13 posted on 07/24/2006 4:17:30 PM PDT by rbg81 (1)
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To: navyguy

Well said!!


14 posted on 07/24/2006 4:18:31 PM PDT by rbg81 (1)
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To: West Coast Conservative
"...not malevolence but naiveté ;naiveté so great, it is the next best thing to stupidity. Naiveté is an occupational hazard among all intellectuals. But American Jews at large respect their intellectuals as much as any group does, and more than most--and way too much for common sense. "

Gelernter may have a bullseye. Otherwise bright people take a position out of naive trust in the judgment of other successful, but naive people. For American Jews such choices about terrorism and "Palestinians" give them the reassurance of standing with the more knowledgeable and polite such as Charlie Rose and the NPR crowd. In Israel it is amazing that many evacuees from the North see this time as a vacation; they are guaranteed reimbursement for their time off and for damage to their homes. Remember, Israel began as a Socialist state.

Their world experience and knowledge of history don't provide the context to understand the endgame, or to believe that their country and lives are a failed missile interception, or failure to search a fishing boat from extinction. They can't perceive that to orthodox Islam, dying to kill nonbelievers guarantees salvation, and amongst believers, failure to support Jihad is a death sentence.
15 posted on 07/24/2006 4:27:14 PM PDT by Spaulding (Wagdadbythebay)
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To: West Coast Conservative

They won't.


16 posted on 07/24/2006 4:31:15 PM PDT by sport
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To: West Coast Conservative
For those who continue to insist on voting Democratic, the future is written in a recent column by Richard Cohen--who explains that the "greatest mistake Israel could make at the moment is to forget that Israel itself is a mistake." Who advises Israel to "hunker down," while "waiting (and hoping) that history will get distracted and move on to something else." It is hard to understand why Israel is a mistake if Switzerland isn't--or the United States, or any other nation or (for that matter) human being.

I don't like Cohen obviously, but I don't think he meant it in quite that way. I don't think he sees Israel's mistake as an issue of its philosophical right to exist, but the more pragmatic issue of practicality of maintaining said nation surrounded by enemies. I.e. a strategic mistake not a philosophical one. In that he might be right as Israel will always have to face Islam, as a enemy which surrounds it, and in the form of a fifth column within. Other then through genocide, one way or the other, I don't see Israel ever living in peace. Unless the Jews can start converting Muslims, to consolidate their hold and to build their own support in the Arab world, but Judaism has never been evangelical, and Islam has never been keen on others playing in their ballpark.

17 posted on 07/24/2006 4:31:45 PM PDT by BarbaricGrandeur
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To: rbg81
Gerlanter's article reminds me of the joint birthday party I had with my relatives -- also Jewish. They were saying things like Pres. Bush was the worst President ever; etc. Yours truly spoke up and said that Pres. Bush was doing a good job and had already won two wars in the mid east. The rest of my Jewish relatives told me to shut up and said I was an instigator. I finally said in exasperation that Pres. Bush is taking a lot of heat for not stabbing Israel in the back over this Hizbollah war and I beseeched my relatives to cut the guy a little slack.

My relatives were also of the opinion that Ann Coulter was beautiful but vicious. Of course I related how during my protests against the Left I wear my Ann Coulter t shirt and they said what do you expect?

And how did your parties with your Liberal relatives go?

18 posted on 07/24/2006 4:33:36 PM PDT by Stepan12 (NY Times: Bush finds cure for cancer; healthcare workers to suffer massive layoffs)
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To: Spaulding
I am a Jew, come from very liberal parents, grew up during the late 60's/early 70's and voted for George McGovern), the very first time I was old enough to vote. That was the last time I ever voted Democrat, by the way.

I woke up during the Reagan years (voted for him twice) and am now a staunch (and I mean STAUNCH) Conservative. And all I can add is that THIS Jew finds Libs/Leftists/Democrats (all the same in my view) repulsive, traitorous, seditious and generally a waste of protoplasm.

My brother believes the same. Do you think we're the only 2 Jews in the US who find Dems/Libs/Leftists the scum of the earth?

19 posted on 07/24/2006 4:35:18 PM PDT by KenHorse
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To: Stepan12

Actually, for whatever reason, our family tends to the conservative side. I don't have a liberal bone in my body. Must be some kind of genetic quirk. When I make statements like: "to win a war, you must totally crush and demoralize your enemy", most of my Jewish bretheren look at me with horror and revulsion. I love shaking up their delicate sensibilities.

Of course, I can deal with all that--I really don't care what they think. I know I'm right and I find it liberating. The burden of being a liberal is that you must engage in perpetual self-deception.


20 posted on 07/24/2006 4:47:39 PM PDT by rbg81 (1)
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To: rbg81
That being said, the above phenomenon is NOT just limited to the Jews. It infects the Christian Left as well. Which is why both groups are slowly disappearing. That is the fate of those who have ceased to believe in G-d.

Well said.

21 posted on 07/24/2006 4:53:45 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: West Coast Conservative
FOR YEARS I have watched the Palestinians do absurdly self-destructive things, and have never understood them until now.

I find that an amazing statement. Gelernter was a victim of Ted Kaczynsi, the Unabomber.

22 posted on 07/24/2006 4:55:38 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: KenHorse

" == Do you think we're the only 2 Jews in the US who find Dems/Libs/Leftists the scum of the earth? == "

I can assure you, no. But just as you and your brother are unique within your family, I am unique within mine.


23 posted on 07/24/2006 4:57:02 PM PDT by MainFrame65
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To: West Coast Conservative

Well when I heard alan colmes say the other night that he was Jewish, I thought, oh good grief!! If he represents most American Jews it makes me very sad.


24 posted on 07/24/2006 5:00:27 PM PDT by jackv (just shakin' my head)
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To: seppel

Gestapo much?


25 posted on 07/24/2006 5:01:03 PM PDT by MadLibDisease (The time to slay RINOs is in the primaries but come game time it's time to flush real liberals)
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To: SJackson

"Yup, us Jews are the slickest political manipulators the world has know."

Ignore the wannabe gestap and, shalom


26 posted on 07/24/2006 5:02:18 PM PDT by MadLibDisease (The time to slay RINOs is in the primaries but come game time it's time to flush real liberals)
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To: MadLibDisease

gestap=gestapo


27 posted on 07/24/2006 5:02:49 PM PDT by MadLibDisease (The time to slay RINOs is in the primaries but come game time it's time to flush real liberals)
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To: KenHorse

No.


28 posted on 07/24/2006 5:02:49 PM PDT by masadaman
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To: jackv
Well when I heard alan colmes say the other night that he was Jewish, I thought, oh good grief!! If he represents most American Jews it makes me very sad

It's Sean Hannity who is pro Israeli and anti terror -- not Alan!

29 posted on 07/24/2006 5:06:23 PM PDT by Stepan12 (NY Times: Bush finds cure for cancer; healthcare workers to suffer massive layoffs)
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To: MainFrame65
I always knew there we more MOT's than I thought
30 posted on 07/24/2006 5:11:37 PM PDT by KenHorse
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To: KenHorse

"Do you think we're the only 2 Jews in the US who find Dems/Libs/Leftists the scum of the earth?"

Krauthammer makes 3.


31 posted on 07/24/2006 5:14:31 PM PDT by toddlintown
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To: seppel
2. Jews in the US know exactly what they re doing. They are pushing George into a corner, where he has to massively support Israel to get even 1 more Jewish vote, knowing how much they dislike the conservatives, but how important they are in the electoral college system. On top, they have the Dems in their pocket. The result: It does not matter who wins the WH, they have max support for Israel. Pretty clever heh?

You don't know the half of it. We Jews have developed Penis-Melting Robot Combs. Says one author, Ja'far Abbas:

"Even though what I write today will harm 'tourism' in Sudan, I consider it my duty to warn anyone who wants to come to Sudan to refrain from shaking hands with a dark-skinned man. Since most Sudanese are dark-skinned, he had better avoid shaking hands with anyone he doesn't know…"

Focusing on the report of the Sudanese man who lost his penis after contact with a comb, Abbas wrote: "No doubt, this comb was a laser-controlled surgical robot that penetrates the skull [and passes] to the lower body and emasculates a man!!

"I wanted to tell that man who fell victim to the electronic comb: 'You jackass, how can you put a comb from a man you don't know to your head, while even relatives avoid using the same comb?!'"

So, we have controlled the White House by threatening to unleash our deadly Penis Melting Robot Combs.

Do not mess with us.

32 posted on 07/24/2006 5:17:19 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Islam is a perversion of faith, a lie against human spirit, an obscenity shouted in the face of G_d)
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To: rbg81
That is the fate of those who have ceased to believe in G-d.

The old lure of the Golden Calf thing ... must be something about humans?

33 posted on 07/24/2006 6:01:28 PM PDT by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: West Coast Conservative

During WWII Communists worldwide were initially allies to the Nazis. This was because the USSR and Germany were allies, and jointly invaded Poland.

When the Germans turned on the USSR, and allied themselves with the Japanese who were at that time in China, and possibly fighting USSR as well, the worldwide Communist movement (including those Jews who were affilliated) changed to be anti-Nazi.

There was nothing patriotic about the US Communist behaviour. They were doing what they always do, following the international Communist line.

This explains why a surprising number of Jews are pro Palestinian, and now even pro Hezbollah, pro al Quaida, pro Iranian Mullah. They will support the pro Communist and their allies in whatever circumstance, even if that means the destruction of their homeland, Israel.


34 posted on 07/24/2006 7:10:55 PM PDT by plenipotentiary
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To: SkyPilot
'Jews don't like Republicans because we associate them all with Right Wing Christians who claim Jesus is the Messiah. That is offensive to us.'

Your friend is so offended by Christians and their faith, that he has sold his soul to the party of nihilism, socialism, and death. That has got to be the most insane, bigoted, and self-destructive political attitude I can imagine. I sincerely hope that his attitude is not typical of American Jews ... if it is, this country is in worse shape than I had thought.

35 posted on 07/24/2006 7:18:36 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Cohen forgets that the Mulims have been enraged by the turn of events since Napoleon's time. The Crusades hardly made a dent in the Muslim consciousness. But the humiliation of Western expansion did. They hate what Cohen prizes most: his liberalism, his nation that his secular view of the world deserves anything but to be eliminated.


36 posted on 07/24/2006 7:29:09 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: West Coast Conservative; SkyPilot
To paraphrase, he said 'Jews don't like Republicans because we associate them all with Right Wing Christians who claim Jesus is the Messiah. That is offensive to us.'

That is part of it with a small minority. If you want to get a good understanding of this phenomena, I recommend Why are so many Jews liberal?

To SkyPilot I would say that I more or less abandoned my Judaism because I so rarely heard the word G-d in synagogue and did not get answers or even sense an interest in the spiritual questions that consumed me. However, I am having a second look thanks to Rabbi David Aaron's columns at Jewish World Review and am waiting with great anticipation for this book "The Secret Life of G-d" (Actually he spells out the name which I understand is acceptable under certain circumstances). You might disagree but what he has taught me is that Judaism is more concerned with action than with concepts and the spiritual explanations are in the Kaballah.

37 posted on 07/24/2006 7:31:59 PM PDT by Northern Alliance
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To: SkyPilot

Bingo, that is the reason. So many Jews just cannot separate their fear, and it is fear of PubChristiansRightists ala GermanProtNazis that they overlook any Pub agenda which is very pro-Jewish, Israel, family, religious values and keep their conspiracy fear angle going. Dems simply take them for granted, use their money and it is the old FDR coaliton still in tact which is hard to overcome culturally and politically.


38 posted on 07/24/2006 7:39:38 PM PDT by phillyfanatic
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To: rbg81

Lots of left wing people want to say we shouldn't forget the lessons of Viet Nam. I always reply back that we shouldn't forget the lessons of WW I.


39 posted on 07/24/2006 9:49:01 PM PDT by art_rocks
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To: art_rocks

Most people get the lessons of Vietname wrong anyway. The thing about the Vietnam war is that we had BEATEN the Viet Cong by the early 70s. It took the full-scale invasion of a conventional army to make South Vietnam fall in 1975. The US definitely had the firepower to stop that--we could have done it from the air. But, by that time, the Dems controlled Congress and we had lost the will. Of course, it didn't help that the South did a crummy job of defending itself. [Unfortunatley, I suspect the current Iraqi regime would have a similar meltdown if left tommorrow]


40 posted on 07/25/2006 3:32:41 AM PDT by rbg81 (1)
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To: Lazamataz


Excellent reponse!!!!
41 posted on 07/25/2006 5:41:06 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (The Arab League jihad continues on like a fart in an elevator - FR American in Israel)
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To: Stepan12

I do not get this!! Why do the Jews hate Christians? Because we believe Jesus is the Messiah?? You are right. There is far more support coming from Hannity than colmes. How bizarre!!


42 posted on 07/25/2006 6:20:40 AM PDT by jackv (just shakin' my head)
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To: SkyPilot

'Jews don't like Republicans because we associate them all with Right Wing Christians who claim Jesus is the Messiah. That is offensive to us.'

Very ironic since these right wing Christians are the most loyal supporters of Israel.


43 posted on 07/25/2006 6:43:05 AM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: jackv
I do not get this!! Why do the Jews hate Christians? Because we believe Jesus is the Messiah?? You are right. There is far more support coming from Hannity than colmes. How bizarre!!

I wish I had something good to tell you: Jewish voters dis Bush

44 posted on 07/25/2006 1:33:50 PM PDT by Stepan12 (NY Times: Bush finds cure for cancer; healthcare workers to suffer massive layoffs)
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To: Stepan12

Oh my!! I hope at least this article refers to primarily American Jews.
Surely those holding the true Jewish values outside of this country see more clearly, and appreciate the/our/Bush's Christian support.
Very discouraging indeed!!


45 posted on 07/25/2006 3:05:33 PM PDT by jackv (just shakin' my head)
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To: jackv
Oh my!! I hope at least this article refers to primarily American Jews. Surely those holding the true Jewish values outside of this country see more clearly, and appreciate the/our/Bush's Christian support. Very discouraging indeed!!

Incidentally, when I was in Jerusalem in early January, I ran into this Orthodox fellow who was giving out some sort funny jewelry (consisting of a string with small hands attached). He said that he loved Pres. Bush. I'm sorry I didn't film his remarks along with the other films I took of my trip to Israel (my camcorder wasn't turned on then), but it was nice to meet some other Jews who shared my opinion.

46 posted on 07/25/2006 4:27:30 PM PDT by Stepan12 (NY Times: Bush finds cure for cancer; healthcare workers to suffer massive layoffs)
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To: toddlintown

I graduated from Columbia when it was 60% Jewish, so I'm "semi-Jewish" :)- I'm a Reagan Republican, so count me as #4 !


47 posted on 08/01/2006 4:48:28 AM PDT by pleikumud
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