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Clemson’s role as baseball host unfurls flag flap (More Confederate Flag)
Charlotte Observer ^ | July, 23, 2006 | Joseph Person

Posted on 07/25/2006 10:19:23 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo

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To: Colonel Kangaroo
I wouldn't have a likeness of a living, not to mention controversial, man up there. But I would have no problem with a more noncontroversial civil rights monument up there more reflective of the consensus.

They don't care what you think. The civil rights memorial is there and Jesse's face is on it, the Confederate soldiers' memorial is there and the battle flag flies above it.

21 posted on 07/25/2006 10:45:45 AM PDT by SC Swamp Fox (Join our Folding@Home team (Team# 36120) keyword: folding)
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To: Leatherneck_MT
There's quite a few of those "race pimps" and NAACP lovers right here on this board too.

I don't usually like the NAACP's rhetoric on the flag issue. They often broadly depict every Confederate soldier of the 1860s as being a sleveowning racist and every current display of the reb flag (even in private Confederate memorials) as being the work of a slavery lover. But that doesn't change the fact that people have legitimate problems with the rebel flag on public property.

22 posted on 07/25/2006 10:46:05 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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23 posted on 07/25/2006 10:46:30 AM PDT by meandog (If I were to draw the odious Islamic prophet Muhammad, he would have horns, a tail, and a pitchfork!)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Sherman is part of South Carolina and America's history too, but his place isn't on the state grounds of SC either.

Maybe not his, but Jesse Jackson is. And in some corners of the state, his legacy is nearly as bad as Sherman's - at least Sherman ended a war....

24 posted on 07/25/2006 10:47:56 AM PDT by Palmetto
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Sherman is part of South Carolina and America's history too, but his place isn't on the state grounds of SC either.

In a way, it is. There are plaques on the State House showing the marks where Sherman's artillery struck the walls.

Heck, in a way, the entire city of Columbia is a monument to Sherman. You'll find VERY few cities continuously inhabited since 1778 that have virtually no buildings standing from before 1865. And most of the historical markers in Columbia contain the words "burned by Union troops on February 17, 1865" somewhere in the text.

This whole flap is much ado about nothing. It's a soldiers' battle flag, flying at a monument commemorating the deaths of thousands of Confederate soldiers in the war. The only difference between that monument and hundreds of others across the South is that South Carolina flew a flag from the pole on their Statehouse dome for 37 years before taking it down and running a similar one up at the monument. That's it.

By the way, this "compromise" to pull the flag off the dome and put one up at the Confederate Soldiers' Memorial was the original compromise that the NAACP proposed. As soon as Governor David Weaseley--er, Beasley--flip-flopped and agreed to the "compromise," the NAACP immediately screamed that it wasn't good enough, that no Confederate flags could fly on the Statehouse grounds, and voted their ineffective and laughable "tourism boycott." (The flip-flop cost Weaseley his job the next election and handed the job to a Rat for four years.) Well, there were 400,000+ black bikers in Myrtle Beach on Memorial Day weekend, just like every year...some boycott! }:-)4

25 posted on 07/25/2006 10:50:43 AM PDT by Moose4 (Dirka dirka Mohammed jihad.)
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To: Palmetto
Maybe not his, but Jesse Jackson is. And in some corners of the state, his legacy is nearly as bad as Sherman's - at least Sherman ended a war....

And he's got no business up there. That's what is so hateful about PC. It says that I can offend you, but don't dare offend me. But I still don't think that that negates the need for public politeness and consideration. Two wrongs don't make a right.

26 posted on 07/25/2006 10:52:53 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Clemson got to host the regionals because Clemson has a great baseball program. How hard is that to figure out?

When will Leftist (like YOU) ever tire of politicizing every last bleeding corner of American culture for the sake of imposing your pink-laced sanctimony on everyone else? Nobody is forcing baseballplayers or you to march around the SC capitol grounds until you find the confederate monument and salute. If you don't like it, don't go there. Problem sovled.

And as for the NCAA being a private organization, it's funded, in part, with dues from taxpayer supported state schools, including those of South Carolina. I suppose if they wanted to, the bureaucrats who run it could exclude Clemson from the tournament, but it would be a far less interesting tournament without one of the consistantly best programs in the country.


27 posted on 07/25/2006 10:54:07 AM PDT by YCTHouston
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To: saganite

There is no bottom to the NCAA's insanity. Basically, 12-15 nerdy college professors are on a committee which arbitrarily dishes out sanctions against schools and/or states which are deemed to be practicing political incorrectness.

Illinois and North Dakota can't have Indian mascots because it shows insensitivity, yet these pompous proclamations are handed down from the hallowed halls of the NCAA home office, conveniently located in......drum roll please......INDIANapolis, INDIANa !!!

The hypocrisy is mind boggling. The raw abuse of power is absurd. But, most troubling of all is that suuposedly grown men are willing to grab their ankles whenever the NCAA says bend over, because failure to do so will be punished by the loss of intercollegiate athletic events at dear old State U.

I don't know how some "sports fans" can bear to look in the mirror.


28 posted on 07/25/2006 10:57:27 AM PDT by colonel mosby
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To: Livin_large
The fact that South Carolina was part of the Confederacy is something that cannot be denied and should not be forgotten. South Carolina has a proud heritage as being a state that does not bow to outside pressure or buckle to public opinion. This is what the Confederate battle flag stands for

I believe that there were a lot of honest-hearted ordinary Southern men who died for that. But I think that the underlying cause of the rebellion was the material selfishness of a relatively small group of slaveowners who manipulated events. And when events got hard for the Confederacy, the relatively quick collapse of the CSA showed that the rebellion never really had that much public support anyhow.

29 posted on 07/25/2006 11:00:38 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

The only appropriate reply I can come up with for this contrived PC crap is to put my own "rebel" flag on display.

I bought it a while ago, after the PC Nazi's managed to get Confederate flags removed from many Confederate grave site's.

I despise those who seek to rewrite history, and the entire Confederate Flag "issue" is based on twisting history.


30 posted on 07/25/2006 11:03:10 AM PDT by Richard-SIA ("The natural progress of things is for government to gain ground and for liberty to yield" JEFFERSON)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

I have legitimate problems with the NAACP on Public Property.

That's MY flag, MY heritage, MY ancestors. IF they can spew their filth on public land (which they frequently do), then MY flag can be flown on that same public land.

But then, we're all about diversity ONLY when it's black, hispanic or some other race/culture. Not when it's historically American.


31 posted on 07/25/2006 11:06:57 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (In a world where Carpenters come back from the dead, ALL things are possible.)
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To: Richard-SIA

I guess we should boycot cotton, since slaves picked cotton,correct? We must all wear Polyester and Rayon if we live in the South.


32 posted on 07/25/2006 11:07:16 AM PDT by RangerMoon
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To: MBB1984

If the NAACP is boycotting SC tourist areas, especially the beaches, will that be an overall plus or minus for the atmosphere at those areas?


33 posted on 07/25/2006 11:14:15 AM PDT by Jimnorwellwarren
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To: Leatherneck_MT
But then, we're all about diversity ONLY when it's black, hispanic or some other race/culture. Not when it's historically American.

Why do you appear to lump English speaking blacks who have been here since the 1600s with the Spanish-speaking Mexicans who are just arriving here. Historically, the slaves and descendants of slaves are as much American as any of us.

34 posted on 07/25/2006 11:15:52 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

You're out for an argument and I'm not going to bite.

Read what I said. Diversity doesn't include most anything that is American. That's why there's now a move on to get rid of Old Glory, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and a sundry other American Icons.

Starting with the Confederate Battle Standard was just the easiest way to set a precendence.


35 posted on 07/25/2006 11:20:19 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (In a world where Carpenters come back from the dead, ALL things are possible.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
My family fought for the South in the famous Yankee War of Aggression. For you to write that the South collapsed at the first signs of hardship is most laughable, and damn near insipid on your part. While there were many reasons for the war, few in the South owned slaves, or even wanted to own slaves. Most Rebels went to war to end the Yankee trade imbalances that the Yankee banks imposed upon them, and they tried to stop the financial bleeding from higher freight rates to ship goods North, eliminating them from the competition. Had it not been the slavery issue, the Yankees would have found something else to punish the growing South. What they did do is delay our economic punch for 100 years, but look at the tables now! I wouldn't trade our future for all of New England's', as the folks up there are mired in high taxes, stupid policies (i.e.; Demorat policies) low wages, crappy schools, and nowhere and no one to blame except their own stupidity. Study your history before making your outrageous insults, you might learn something actually worth knowing. You must have attended Harvard or something just as rotten.
36 posted on 07/25/2006 11:23:05 AM PDT by geezerwheezer (get up boys, we're burnin' daylight!!!)
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To: Leatherneck_MT
You're out for an argument and I'm not going to bite.

You might be right. :)

37 posted on 07/25/2006 11:24:52 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Hazcat
OK. who has the popcorn concession for this one?

Don't I wish!

38 posted on 07/25/2006 11:24:57 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

I take second place to nobody in my opposition to the Southern rebellion, but Jesus, people, lighten up already! It's their damned state, let them fly whatever flag they want to.


39 posted on 07/25/2006 11:29:23 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: geezerwheezer
The reason the South is growing now is because the Union won the war. Under the old stagnant slave system, the South was losing ground.

With the large size of the Confederate states, they should have held on much longer. Jefferson Davis himself said towards the end that all the South lacked was will. But the South never was really united behind the CSA. Many were reluctant conscripts. many Southerners joined the Union army and many more would have if given the chance. Still more wished to be left alone. As NC's Confederate governor admitted, it was a revolution of the politicians and not the people.

40 posted on 07/25/2006 11:31:30 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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