Vigilantes torch suspected crack house (Small town in Canada)

www.canada.com ^ | 7-26-06 | Canadian Press

[Irish_Thatcherite]

The trouble is, vigilantes can be the bad guys too - here in Ireland, vigilantes are usually members of the IRA attacking drug pushers for not paying their protection money.

[fanfan]

ROFLOL!

[fanfan]

Then they wouldn't be vigilantes, they would be enforcers.

[Irish_Thatcherite]

That is true.. but they do it under the guise of vigilantism.

[fanfan]

True.

[Irish_Thatcherite]

:)

[Flash Bazbeaux]

"differently-credentialed law-enforcement officials"

LOL! Can I use that?


Be my guest.

[Texas Songwriter]

Vigilence - the condition of being watchful or careful with respect to hazard or danger. Vigilante-someone who acts with vigilence.

I like that.

[Irish_Thatcherite]

I guess I'll be a vigilante against those self-styled vigilantes I mentioned.

[Candor7]

I am shocked! Absolutely shocked. Grand Manan is well known for its dulse, lobster and fish, as well as a honey moon haven for gay newly wed RCMP officers.

I wonder why the Granbd manan public has lost confidence in the Royal Mounted and taken matters into their own hands!

Shocking , I tell you , shocking!

[CaptainCanada]

Our drug problem is proportionally only a fraction of yours, so no need to get your shorts in a knot.
BTW, except for a few provinces (Like BC), most of our provinces have Regional and Provincial police forces.
The RCMP plays a role similar to your FBI (only our guys are better).
It's our Justice system that's all fuked up and puts these bastards back on the street. Unless we fix that problem, we'll end up like y'alls....

[NorthOf45]

The local police in this case were 2 RCMP officers. It's a small island. ; )

[Wallace T.]

Canada has only three major urban hellholes (Montreal, Toronto, and Vancouver). We have dozens of them, unfortunately. Also, the Canadian judicial system and legal code is more centralized than ours. There are 50 separate judicial systems, plus the Federal system, in the U.S. For example, someone who committed a crime in Michigan but was arrested in Montana must be extradited to Michigan. Punishment for crimes is uniform in all 10 Canadian provinces, not so in the 50 American states. The death penalty is impermissible in a dozen states, but Texas and Florida execute several dozen criminals per year. Federal LEOs in the U.S. cannot arrest without a warrant, except in National parks, military bases, etc.; state and local police can arrest someone on probable cause. The RCMP is not so restricted.

There are many fundamental differences between American and Canadian law enforcement and jurisprudence, beyond liberal vs. conservative issues.

[CaptainCanada]

"Canada has only three major urban hellholes (Montreal, Toronto, and Vancouver).

Where do they teach this stuff about Canada.
Since we are talking about crime, I assume you mean that these cities have the highest crime rates in Canada..
Sorry, that fact don't support your claim. (see below). Toronto has one of the lowest crime rates in Canada and I don't think we want to attribute that to a Liberal and multicultural society, do we??

PROVINCES AND TERRITORIES RANKED BY HOMICIDE RATE,
PROVINCE/TERRITORY PER 100,000
(1) Nunavut 10.21
(2) Northwest Territories 9.55
(3) Saskatchewan 4.12
(4) Manitoba 3.70
(5) Yukon 3.22
(6) British Columbia 2.24
(7) Alberta 2.00
(8) Ontario 1.45
(9) Quebec 1.34
(10) New Brunswick 1.07
(11) Newfoundland 0.96
(12) Nova Scotia 0.85
(13) Prince Edward Island 0.73

The 1990 homicide statistics for the murder rate for large
Canadian cities:
LARGE CANADIAN CITIES BY HOMICIDE RATE, CITY PER 100,000
(1) Regina 4.72
(2) Saskatoon 4.39
(3) Sudbury 4.00
(4) Edmonton 3.50
(5) Vancouver 3.45
(6) Montreal 3.40
(7) Winnipeg 3.05
(8) Calgary 2.60
(9) Toronto 1.80
(10) Hamilton 1.70
(11) Halifax 1.25
(12) St. John's 0.00

[Wallace T.]

Homicide is not the only crime; the vast majority of criminal activities do not involve homicide. The comparative measure of American and Canadian crime shows a decidedly mixed situation respecting crime. Statistics Canada, in a report dated December 18, 2001, notes that while the American homicide rate is three times that of Canada on a per capital basis, burglary and theft rates were actually lower in the United States. (The statistics were for 2000, a decade later than the 1990 numbers you cite.) According to this report, "Police-reported rates of breaking and entering and motor vehicle theft were higher among Canadian urban centres with populations over 500,000 than among American cities with populations exceeding 500,000."

I suspect much of the difference, both good and bad, is due to the greater availability of firearms in the United States. According to the Statistics Canada report, only one-third of Canadian homicides involve firearms, vs. two-thirds in America. OTOH, burglary and involves higher risk to the criminal in the U.S., as more private citizens own firearms. About one-quarter of Canadian homes own firearms, and only 3-7% own handguns, whereas about one-half of American homes own firearms, and about 25% own handguns (source: Statistics Canada).

There are considerable cultural differences between Canada and the United States dating back to the American War for Independence. The Canadian culture was historically more deferential to authority and hierarchy, vs. the individualism and democracy of the frontier. According to Canadian historian Pierre Berton, "The key words in Upper Canada were "loyalty" and "patriotism"--loyalty to the British way of life as opposed to American "radical" democracy and republicanism. Brock, the man who wanted to establish martial law and abandon habeas corpus, represented these virtues ... [and] came to represent Canadian order as opposed to American anarchy.... Had not Canada been saved from the invader by appointed leaders who ruled autocratically? ... This attitude, that the British way of life is preferable to the American; that certain sensitive positions are better filled by appointment than by election; that order imposed from above has advantages over grassroots democracy (for which read "license" or "anarchy") flourished as a result of an invasion repelled. Out of it, shaped by an emerging nationalism and tempered by rebellion, grew that special form of state paternalism that makes the Canadian way of life significantly different from the more individualistic American way."

Immigration patterns tended to reinforce the cultural distinctives. For example, Irish Anglicans, who were generally pro-monarchy and pro-English, were disproportionately represented among Irish Canadian immigrants. OTOH, the United States received very large migrations of anti-English, anti-monarchy settlers: the Scots-Irish Presbyterians in the 18th Century and the old stock Irish Catholics in the 19th Century.

Different nations, different cultures. Some of my ancestors were Canadians who came to the United States in the 1890s. I believe they made the right move.

[CaptainCanada]

I'm sure wherever we are, we all feel our parents or ancestors made the right move...