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Store Owner Fires Gun for Her Safety (SC)
WSAV-3 ^ | Wednesday, July 26, 2006 | Holly Bounds

Posted on 07/26/2006 8:11:07 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger

Another dangerous encounter for the owners of a Hardeeville package store resulted in a gunshot Friday.

It’s the second time in just over a month they had to fire. On June 19th, Greene’s Package Shop worker Herb Tolar was robbed at gunpoint and then fired at the man as he ran away. Back then, Tolar told WSAV, “I thought he was going to kill me. So I was going to kill him. I pursued him outside and I shot to kill. If I see him again, I will blow him away.”

And now, the same store, which is on Highway 17 in Hardeeville was the site of another shooting. This time, it was the wife who fired.

“They knew I meant business,” Florence Tolar said, as she remembered the Friday morning encounter.

Her size and sweet demeanor don’t keep her from standing her ground.

“I kept my position just in case those boys came out. I had every opportunity to shoot them,” she said.

She chose to fire her gun at the floor as she was confronted by four young men who were fleeing from police Friday. It’s a choice she says could have easily turned fatal.

"I had to make the decision,” she said. “And I'll tell you- if those boys would have been a little bit taller, a little bit bigger, I would have shot them. And I would have killed them."

“My wife really surprised me, “ Herb Tolar said. “I’m really proud of her that she did what she did.”

Just last month, Herb Tolar aimed and fired at an armed robber who ran off with a stack of cash from the shop. And this time, he’s glad it wasn’t his finger behind the trigger.

"With my experience a few weeks ago, I don't know if I would not have shot,” he said.

“Because I missed the rascal the other day and I'm glad she saw them before I did- because I believe I would have shot."

The Tolars take pride in their friendly business, but they admit they’ve added a few more guns to the collection recently. To them, it’s the best way to keep safe.

“Things have changed since I was around this sleepy ole town,” Herb Tolar said.

“It's not a sleepy ole town any more. It's scary."

No arrests have been made on the June 19th robbery at the store. However, Friday’s incident resulted in six young men being charged with possession of a stolen vehicle.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: armedcitizen; bang; banglist; gun; guns; selfdefense
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I love repeat-defenders.
1 posted on 07/26/2006 8:11:10 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger
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2 posted on 07/26/2006 8:11:37 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger ("Good guys" aren't always "nice guys".)
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To: SC Swamp Fox

ping.


3 posted on 07/26/2006 8:12:07 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: DaveLoneRanger

I love women who will defend what's theirs. :o)


4 posted on 07/26/2006 8:14:05 PM PDT by Ladysmith ((NRA, SAS) Gun owners have illustrated rights are individual and can be protected by individuals.)
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To: Ladysmith

I'm rather fond of them myself! In a disinterested and dispassionate sort of way, of course. One of these days, there will be on in particular. Until then, she's the Unknown Bride.


5 posted on 07/26/2006 8:19:02 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger ("Good guys" aren't always "nice guys".)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

heh heh! Good for you!


6 posted on 07/26/2006 8:25:42 PM PDT by Ladysmith ((NRA, SAS) Gun owners have illustrated rights are individual and can be protected by individuals.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Darwin candidates ~ Bump!


7 posted on 07/26/2006 8:32:37 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Taglines for sale or rent. Good "one liners", 50 cents.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
I can't find a single thing in the story to support. Unless SC's laws are really permissive, numerous laws were broken by firing as they did...

Herb Tolar was robbed at gunpoint and then fired at the man as he ran away... I pursued him outside and I shot to kill.

Not an appropriate self-defense situatino in most states

If I see him again, I will blow him away.”

If he does, that's called pre-meditiated murder in most states.

She chose to fire her gun at the floor as she was confronted by four young men who were fleeing from police Friday.

Makes little sense. If you're going to pull the trigger, make sure it is appropriate, and make sure you find center-mass. Otherwise, your finger should be outside the trigger guard.

8 posted on 07/26/2006 8:36:49 PM PDT by Teacher317
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To: Teacher317
Hate to say it, but you're right. Mr. Tolar needs to work on his aim, and Mrs. Tolar needs to learn that firing warning shots is a good way to give the other guy the first kill shot.

Maybe the cops are as tired of the bs as the couple, so they declined to do anything. Both of them need to study up on some S/D tactics, and lawyering up might not be a bad idea, either.

His comment about shooting the guy if he sees him again might be legitimate - fear of a revenge attack.

9 posted on 07/26/2006 8:44:07 PM PDT by sig226 (There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary and those who do not.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
It’s the second time in just over a month they had to fire. On June 19th, Greene’s Package Shop worker Herb Tolar was robbed at gunpoint and then fired at the man as he ran away. Back then, Tolar told WSAV, “I thought he was going to kill me. So I was going to kill him. I pursued him outside and I shot to kill. If I see him again, I will blow him away.”

Um... generally if you're shooting at someone as they are running away, it's kind of not what we call self-defense... y'know? I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of shooting bad guys. But you have to do it while they're actually facing you or, you know, it looks kind of bad.

10 posted on 07/26/2006 9:06:51 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: A_perfect_lady

Legally, yes, but is that set in stone? Maybe that needs to be revisited. I say that because when a store is robbed, most likely that is not the first time the perps have pulled a gun on someone. As they run away, it probably won't be the last. In that sense, by letting armed robbers get away we can expect more of the same. Just thinking outloud here.


11 posted on 07/26/2006 9:12:33 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: DaveLoneRanger

The Tolars made a major mistake. If the scum know you won't stop them, they'll be back.


12 posted on 07/26/2006 9:38:18 PM PDT by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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To: Teacher317

you got it. each point right on target.


13 posted on 07/26/2006 10:35:00 PM PDT by bobby.223
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To: Teacher317
If I see him again, I will blow him away.”

If he does, that's called pre-meditiated murder in most states.

The context implies "if I seem him again as an armed robber bent on robbing us."

14 posted on 07/26/2006 10:39:16 PM PDT by The Red Zone
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To: DaveLoneRanger
"If I see him again, I will blow him away."

Premeditated murder charges if she ever has to do it - maybe even if it is a good shooting. Then there will be the civil suit to deal with.

And I'll tell you- if those boys would have been a little bit taller, a little bit bigger, I would have shot them.

So her criteria is not defending life or even property, but the looks of the bad guys.

And I would have killed them.

Not knowing when to shut up, she now makes a statement that can easily be interpreted to mean she will shoot not to stop an attacker, but to kill him/them, greatly increasing the chance of charges, convictions and civil suits if she ever has to use deadly force against a person in the future.

Sorry, in my book she is an idiot - wasn't prepared for either where to shoot or what to say when she did, and dug a big hole for herself to fall into in the future.

15 posted on 07/26/2006 10:39:36 PM PDT by Northern Alliance
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To: Northern Alliance

Say what you will if you like, but words do not kill.

Anyway, I don't think these perp's or the first ones, or any other that read this story will return to do harm.


16 posted on 07/27/2006 1:33:29 AM PDT by SR 50 (Larry)
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To: Freedom4US

Post #11.

I agree. Don't you remember all the old western movies when the bank robbers were fleeing town and all the people of the town was shooting at them? Could the whole town be wrong?


17 posted on 07/27/2006 2:15:13 AM PDT by SR 50 (Larry)
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To: Northern Alliance
And I'll tell you- if those boys would have been a little bit taller, a little bit bigger, I would have shot them.

"So her criteria is not defending life or even property, but the looks of the bad guys."

This statement might be reasonable. I'm not sure the S/D laws in South Carolina, but in Florida you have to fear death or serious bodily harm before you can use lethal force against an attacker. The size of the attacker is a factor - if you are attacked by four six year olds, you are not justified in using lethal force. If you are attacked by four unarmed linebackers, you are justified in using lethal force.

18 posted on 07/27/2006 4:02:22 AM PDT by sig226 (There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary and those who do not.)
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To: The Red Zone
The context implies "if I seem him again as an armed robber bent on robbing us."

For you and I, surely, but this couple doesn't seem to have the rules memorized quite yet.

I hope that, if it does happen again, they are justified, and their aim is true.

19 posted on 07/27/2006 5:49:58 AM PDT by Teacher317
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To: Freedom4US

Well, I can't really sympathize with an armed robber who gets shot in the back as he's running away. I just don't think it's self-defense. It's more like... karma! LOL!


20 posted on 07/27/2006 6:33:18 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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