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1 posted on 07/27/2006 8:20:45 AM PDT by xzins
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In my Church, every Sunday before the adult Sunday school class, one of the Deacons speaks about the current issues of the day as it relates to Christian Living.

I'm sure the IRS would consider this political speech and lately it involves "politicized" subjects. I believe it provides guidance to Christians on how to live in the world without being of the world. This is right and proper for any Church.

I am glad that my Church fears God more than the IRS.

132 posted on 07/27/2006 10:20:58 AM PDT by PattonFan (Not me, I don't believe in paying for the same real estate twice." George C. Scott , "Patton")
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BTTT


141 posted on 07/27/2006 10:30:30 AM PDT by Badray (CFR my ass. There's not too much money in politics. There's too much money in government hands.)
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Hey, when god chose to speak to Moses, he used a Bush.


165 posted on 07/27/2006 10:49:59 AM PDT by Malsua
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Folks, you can try to justify any way you want. However, in all cases the answer is more freedom, not less. The answer is not to levy more taxes in order to be 'fair'. The answer is to levy less taxes. The answer is to not levy taxes against an organization of individuals as a fee to exercise their 1st Amendment rights to free speech which especially includes political speech. We should always be wary of any person wanting to regulate political speech in any way. The problem cannot be solved by less freedom whether that freedom be economic, relgious, political, or of any other stripe. More taxes and less freedom will never fix anything.
168 posted on 07/27/2006 10:57:13 AM PDT by JamesP81 ("Never let your schooling interfere with your education" --Mark Twain)
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Here are my thoughts on the issue of 501(c)3's.

This issue involves moew than just churches. It also cuts to the heart of being able to donate to an organization in order to have your voice heard.

FR is one of those deals that is pretty much affected. Right now if you make a donation to FR, it's not tax deductible.

The reason for that is because in order for an organization to be tax exempt it must refrain from endorsing candidates or taking positions on issues of public importance.

This goes back to LBJ. He didn't like what some groups were saying about him or his administration so what he did as revenge was put proscriptions on these organizations where if they contuined, they would lose their tax exempt status.

This clearly was not what the founding fathers had in mind when they wrote the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Futhermore, there's really no such thing as separation of church and state. to say there is really stupid, idiotic and foolish.

There's a reason why Democrats and RINO's want to keep things this way. They do so because everybody knows that what they're doing is not only wrong but it's malicious.

These politicians do not have the best interests of the country in their hearts. Their only interest is in the reacquistion of power so that they can continue to missuse and abuse it to do what they know full well are malicious and harmful things to us, the people of this country.

Remember Bill Clinton? This is the previous administration I'm talking about. Monica Lewinsky, Sexual Harrasment, Numerous rapes and murders that took place under his watch.

A lot of what he did was ung-dly. This is why they want these same proscriptions to continue. Because they want to be able to continue to do these enormously malicious and harmful things and they don't want christians and conservatives voicing opposition to their activities.

That is the reason right now why organizations like FR are not tax exempt. Take away these proscriptions and let them be tax exempt and it would allow them to be able to address issues of public importance without having to worry about the IRS breathing down their throats.

It would also mean more and more people being able to contribute to these organizations as a result of being able to deduct that donation from their taxes.
Regards.......

182 posted on 07/27/2006 11:13:13 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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An agency that is out of control. It is the ultimate arm of a coercive government. It has the power to take all your money without being answerable to anyone.
Doing away with this totalitarian agency is politically difficult and maybe impossible, since it is essentially a make-work welfare program for those who are the special beneficiaries of an out of control government.


205 posted on 07/27/2006 11:41:36 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (Be afraid of your government, very afraid.)
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I thought Prince McCain took care of this?


206 posted on 07/27/2006 11:42:23 AM PDT by Osage Orange (A world of chickens is only peaceful without foxes..................)
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The supposed motivation behind the ban on political participation by churches is the need to maintain a rigid separation between church and state

If that is the case why does the Commonwealth of Virginia mandate that I cannot legally carry a gun into a house of worship during a worship service?

213 posted on 07/27/2006 11:47:48 AM PDT by P8riot ("You can get more with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone." - Al Capone)
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Don't blame the IRS. Blame YOUR congressman, and Senators.


245 posted on 07/27/2006 12:36:10 PM PDT by DManA
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From Newsmax November 7, 2000

Tuesday November 7, 2000; 9:37 AM ET

Jesse Jackson Jr. Says Church Politicking 'Supersedes the Law'

It may be against federal election law to campaign in church. But for Democrats seeking to get out the vote in minority districts, politicking from the pulpit has become indispensable.

In the last days of this year's campaign, Vice President Al Gore, Senate candidate Hillary Clinton and her husband have all made regular appearances at African-American and Hispanic churches.

Even when parishioners objected to Mrs. Clinton campaigning from the altar at a Rochester, N.Y., Catholic church last week, the rules were not enforced. Those who didn't like it were simply ejected by police while the first lady continued her campaign speech.

Congressman Jesse Jackson Jr., whose namesake is both a reverend and one of the Democratic Party's most vocal boosters, was challenged on the issue Monday during a Tennessee radio interview on WLAC-AM by "Nashville This Morning" hosts Steve Gill and Terry Hopkins.

GILL: Let me ask you about this. It's against IRS regulations for politicians to campaign from the pulpit. Why are these politicians campaigning in black churches?

JACKSON: I'm not totally convinced that's true in the African-American community. Certainly there's a separation of church and state. But in our community there's little distinction between our religion and our politics. ... And so in many African-American churches born out of experience in this country, the role of the churches has evolved into a very, very active political institution which has been very effective for a number of causes in the black community.

HOPKINS: And that supersedes the law?

JACKSON: Absolutely. Oh, absolutely.

-PJ
271 posted on 07/27/2006 1:02:12 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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