Why it is important to learn to speak and read English when you
live in the United States!
Posted on 07/28/2006 9:21:40 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
With two teenage daughters at home and triplets still in diapers, Angela Magdaleno's family overflowed from a one-bedroom apartment in South Los Angeles that they strained to afford.
Diapers had to be changed 15 times a day, feedings held every three hours. One triplet, 3-year-old Alfredo Jr., needed special attention because he was born with liquid on his brain and partially paralyzed.
Even simple events — like going to the store — required complex orchestration.
And that was before the quadruplets arrived.
On July 6, Magdaleno gave birth to two boys and two girls, drawing national media attention as a bewildered mother of 10 (with nine living at home). Now, she and her husband, Alfredo Anzaldo, 44, must figure out how to provide for everyone on Anzaldo's maximum pay of $400 a week as a carpet installer.
--snip--
Both Magdaleno and Anzaldo are illegal immigrants, settled for years in an immigrant enclave. Magdaleno has the same number of children as her parents, who were peasant farmers in Mexico. ...
--snip--
Neither Magdaleno nor her husband speaks English, though she has been in the United States 22 years and he 28. Even her teenage daughters speak mostly Spanish; their English vocabulary is limited.
Yet all of Magdaleno's 10 children are U.S. citizens. The triplets receive subsidized school lunches. All the youngsters have had their healthcare bills covered by Medi-Cal, the state and federal healthcare program for the poor.
Alfredo Jr. had been hospitalized all his life until recently. He's had three state-funded brain operations and will require several more, the family said. The couple receive $700 in monthly Social Security payments to help with his medical needs.
"I thank this country that they gave me Medi-Cal," Magdaleno said. "There's nothing like that in Mexico."
(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...
Well, as long as they take care to vote Democrat, everything will turn out all right... ;)
I'm Speechless!!! 22 years and still can't speak english??
Some people are going to say the problem is that babies born here are ctizens.
I think the problem is that we didn't enforce the immigration laws for the 22 years she has been here.
you don't need new laws when there are perfectly good laws not being enforced.
...maybe we should buy them a new house too while we are at it. A shame we can't do more for out Mexican brothers and sisters...../sarc off/........
bttt
Good night....I'm going to go drown myself now.
"What we weren't able to do in many years in California," Alejandra said, "we've done quickly here.
"We're in a state where there's nothing but Americans. The police control the streets. It's clean, no gangs. California now resembles Mexico — everyone thinks like in Mexico. California's broken."
And for the guy who asked how I know Alejandra is - was - illegal...read the article:
In 1984, hoping to make more money to send home, the girls were the first Magdalenos to cross illegally into the United States.... Over the years, their eight siblings followed them. Her sister Alejandra was the first to leave. In Los Angeles, she and her husband were barely able to make ends meet. As in Mexico, "there was little work and it's poorly paid," she said.
In Kentucky, Alejandra picked tobacco. The work was hard and she didn't know the language. But soon, life improved. Over the years, she invited her siblings to join her.
ping
My brother-in-law, whose parents immigrated here legally from Mexico 50 years ago, can't wait to retire so he and my sister can flee California. Their middle-class neighborhood has been flooded with illegals who crowd a dozen or more adults and children into a single-family dwelling, keep chickens and goats in their back yards until the animals are seized by Animal Control, search my sister's garbage cans for anything they can use (I've seen this myself), and generally turn their nice little town into a slum.
The Democrats have a bonanza here--millions of people who will be easy to manipulate through their poverty and ignorance, and whose lifestyles (dropping out of school, having more children than they can afford, refusing to learn English, etc.) will make it impossible for most of them to raise themselves out of poverty.
22 and 28 years in America and can't speak English. That's ridiculous! My Russian-speaking wife practices her English every night. Of course, she has no choice. There is no "Press '2' for Russian" in the United States. I often joke with her that she's wasting her time studying English. If she wants to survive in the USA she needs to learn Spanish!
"22 years and still can't speak english??"
Just goes to show you can't fix stupid.
BTTT
What did you think you were doing by posting this stuff?
Is this some Democrat idea of humor? Or is this just another "blame Bush" piece?
When we gather to eulogize you, where will this little lump of significance fit?
It's a wonder to realize that you stay up nights to reugurgitate stuff like this in your daily duties as official poster boy. ( you are closely watched...no one is losing track of you.)
Yup. (Sometimes if we didn't laugh, we'd cry.)
What is your issue anyway?
( you are closely watched...no one is losing track of you.)
and what the heck does that little crack mean?
Careful...I'm watching you closely...
FR has all kinds.. lol
Watch away.. Im non-profit , btw,, in fact , no profit. :-D
If you like what you see, $20 will get you more of what you came for.
:^)
I know it is Friday and all, but come on man, it is far to early to be drinking the hard stuff!
No profit here as well , I feel like a failed ferenghi. Hang in there Norm.
That was great! I only wished it was longer.
LOLOL, Thanks!
I'm still trying to find the words Bush in anything written in the article or posted by me on this thread.
Oh well. It takes all kinds... and FR is not immune from its share of those in need of glasses.
Just feeding an addiction, my FRiend.
;-)
ok... a case study... i've heard all the debates about the costs and benefits of illegal immigration... lets do a best case for this family (ok, i know, one sample is not statistically significant, but just to get a feel for the numbers here). to be fair, we'll give the family the benefit of the doubt in a few places.
Costs:
Medical: we'll assume that the cost of this is simply the average cost of family premium costs: $10K per year... the actual cost will be MUCH higher considering there are 10 children and one of them has had multiple brain surgeries. we'll also assume the costs are incurred over the total time they have been in the country until their youngest turns 18 (37 years) for a total of: $370,000
Schooling: not sure what the average cost is, but typically, inner city schools with high immigrant populations spend more per student due to bilingual schooling and all the special programs... last figure i saw was ~$10k per student per year... since the kids (even the teenager) can;t speak english, we'll assume they are taking advantage of these oh-so-successful programs... cost? $10K per year per child for 13 years of schooling... assuming no additional cost for special ed, and assuming none end up incarcerated which would be even more expensive. total: $1.3 M
Social Security: we'll average this out and assume the only collect while they have kids under 18, and that the payment varies as the number of kids under 18... we'll assume an average of $400 per month for 28 years (the minumum number of years they will have kids under 18). total $134K
We'll ignore the cost of school lunches as well... in the noise of the education cost.
Payments:
OK... assuming he is 'above the board' and using a fake ss# to pay taxes, his contribution from his paycheck to SS would be less than 7% of his annual earnings (stated as maximum of $400 weekly), or ~$1500 per year. But, the income tax paid (state and federal) at this income level woith this number of kids and the disability would actually be a credit that overwhelmed the SS payments for a net net payment to him. so, we'll assume he does it all under the table and makes no payments, rather than get a few thou in tax credits every year.
Tally: ~$1.8M over 30 years in today's dollars (grossly underestimated in my opinion) with no contributions (monetarily).
even at this generously low estimate, assuming he works 80 hrs per week for 30 years, this equates to over $14 per hour of benefits... anyone think there would be a shortage of people willing to install carpet at $20 per hour (sum of his wage and his benefit with this assumption)??? jobs americans aren't willing to do... my a$$.
In the theatre of a sick mind, almost anything.
It might even be construed that others are quietly admiring your tireless work at advancing an entire agenda of causes while trussed in full body restraints.
It could be that many others have long been aware of your not-so-anonymous presence...and are tracking your large and small zigs and zags.
Others could be enjoying your occasional forays under other "nom 'd plumes".
What do you think it means?
The turtle knows...
>>back up 8 yrs, he has been here for 28yrs.. no border enforcement for 30yrs.<<
I stand corrected.
Please take your meds, it is a clear you are in need of them.
Your comments are nebulous at best, insultive of a lot of freepers at worst.
But that seems to be your style , if you have one, a quick review of past posts by you shows you don't play well with others nor care to..
I'll leave it at that.
PS.. I have had my single posting name since I came here, would that some that you likely sympathize with could say the same.
Pardon me while I tear my hair out. The unmitigated gall. Greedy, selfish, lazy...and I don't care how many jobs they had. If they didn't bother to learn English, they're inherently lazy. This is part of the lowest class in the US, stuck in the cellar because they lack skills, brains, initiative. In the case of this particular family, it's cultural as well.
Uhh, just out of curioisty , who do think I am , being you are so adroit in observing and divining others true indentities as you pretend to be..
Well thank goodness that the Catholic Church tells them that birth control is evil....
We spell it 'theater' here.
There are parts of Mexico where they still can't speak Spanish 500 years after Cortez!
Seriously, why would you need to speak English if you lived in a neighborhood where everyone spoke English, the government delivered all its services in Spanish, you could listen to the radio and TV in Spanish, advertisers tried to sell you stuff in Spanish, banks and stores hire Spanish-speaking staff, etc., etc., etc..
The money quote:
"Magdaleno's existence contrasts sharply with that of her younger siblings, who followed her to Los Angeles but then left. They have settled in Lexington, Ky., had no more than two children each and built better lives than they had known before. Four bought houses. Their children speak English fluently."
and:
"In Lexington, she said, "at the school there are just people who speak English. It's helped my children a lot."
Why it is important to learn to speak and read English when you
live in the United States!
LOLOL.. Thanks Kathy!!
Thanks in part to the education lords that don't allow English immersion in schools
An aside: there is an Italian community in the middle of Monterey, Calif., with people born and raised there that still can't speak English.
the younger the kids, the easier they pick up a language. The 'unfairness' is not in immersion, but lack of it.
I have a Danish friend who married a Utah guy years ago = she moved here while he finished college and a few years into a career - while 3 little girls were born.
Long before they were school age, they were speaking fluent English and Danish. What amazed me was that they kept the two languages separate = never sentences in half one, half the other.
I have a grandson who went to Houston (from New Eng.) at 18. In conjunction with a semester of Spanish in college, he would go the Mexican neighborhoods and immerse himself in conversation with the locals and take side trips to Mexico for the same thing.
As a result, he speaks fluent Spanish (non-Gringo Spanish, his Mexican friends say) = He was deployed to Italy less than a month ago- (Airborne SpecOps) and has been able to pick up Italian so rapidly that he can now converse easily with the people - especially "the young ladies" - which drives his fellow servicemen wild: "How do you DO that!" they say.
I'm glad these people are getting the care and help they need, but honestly!
IMHO, it's past time we re-thought this law about all children born in the U.S. automatically being U.S. citizens...there was a time when it made some sense, but in these days, it's simply ridiculous, not to say a huge burden to other folks who work hard, "play by the rules", and expect their efforts to benefit their own children!
Same is true if you're a native English-speaker and live in a foreign country...some effort to communicate in the "native tongue" would certainly be expected and required (although maybe not the level of your grandson, who surely must be very gifted at languages, LOL!)!
Hey Arnold, THIS is why we're pissed off!
The story get worse.. i read the whole thing in the Times(i know but i needed a paper to read) anyway, her sisters also come here but moved to KY for better paying jobs, and became citizens..
>>The story get worse.. i read the whole thing in the Times(i know but i needed a paper to read) anyway, her sisters also come here but moved to KY for better paying jobs, and became citizens..<<
That would be KY as in Kentucky, not the brand name, hopefully... :)
LOL.....yes as in Kentucky :-)
You mean like, the Conservative Cause?
Hey, Norm... I think you're busted!
lol.. I'm not sure,, does that me make me multi-agendal or multi-causal?
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