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To: TruthBeforeAll

I'm not sure about the arrogance, but the axiomatic beliefs
some of the naturalists hold (I think goes under their own
radar)... might be considered here.
example:
1) the universe is ordered and is predictable
2) The human mind can understand "nature"
3) Human thought and rationalizaton is the final arbiter
of what "is"
4) Scientific method always brings out the truth.
5) Mathematics is a way of describing the universe, and is
always accurate
6) What experiments we have done accounts for all of
the natural order


Anyway, needless to say anyone who "believes" all the above
will certainly behave as if they have the corner on
knowledge. One thing is approximately true, that science
does many times correct itself, through the action of humans
bringing new repeatable information to light.


7 posted on 07/30/2006 1:24:59 PM PDT by Getready
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To: Getready
1) the universe is ordered and is predictable

Do you have evidence that this is not the case?

2) The human mind can understand "nature"

Do you have evidence that this is universally false?

3) Human thought and rationalizaton is the final arbiter of what "is"

Who has made such a statement? Please provide specific references.

4) Scientific method always brings out the truth.

Who has made such a statement? Please provide specific references.

5) Mathematics is a way of describing the universe, and is always accurate always accurate

This is false. Mathematics is a tool that can be used in modelling the universe. By definition it is correct when no errers are introduced, though this does not necessarily mean that a model of the universe based upon a mathematical formula is an accurate representation of reality and I know of no one who claims otherwise.

5) Mathematics is a way of describing the universe, and is always accurate

ho has made such a statement? Please provide specific references.

Anyway, needless to say anyone who "believes" all the above will certainly behave as if they have the corner on knowledge.

As I am aware of no one who believes all of the above, your statement seems to be of no consequence.
23 posted on 07/30/2006 2:20:28 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Getready

Interestingly, yesterday someone sent me an article making the exact opposite criticism of "naturalists."
See http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v1/n2/God-natural-law#fnMark3_1


312 posted on 09/13/2006 11:20:03 AM PDT by drl
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