Posted on 07/31/2006 7:33:40 PM PDT by freedom44
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The Persian Empire was the only one officially recognized by the Roman Empire. The Persians would no more be "swallowed up" by the Arabs than the Romans would.
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To the Arabs, the Persians invented the stirrup.
Reality: The stirrup was invented in Korea in the 5th Century. It may have come to the Arabs from the Persians.
There was a crisis in Islam caused by its internal conflicts. A corrupt Caliph was murdered. If you were then opposed to his murder you supported corruption. If you did not support the Caliph, then you were in league with a murderer.
That conflict echoes down to the dispute between the Shi'ite and the Sunni even today.
The conflict: A Caliph who claims the backing of a perfect, powerful, and just G-d must himself be perfect, powerful, and just. If he ever is found to be less than perfect, then that is evidence that Allah is either less than perfect, less than all powerful, or else has withdrawn his favor.
There is no answer. If Osama proved the power of Allah on 9/11, then his loss of his base in Afghanistan has proved the withdrawal of Allah's favor.
I think that it may be an error to ignore the Shi'ite/Sunni division that distinguished Iran from the ultimately Arabized cultures to its west.
The Ostrogoths and Turks were brought into the Roman Empire as foederati, as allied tribes owing military service to the Empire. The Ostrogoths took over Italy. The Turks took over Asia Minor.
Rather more than just the Persians, no?
Uhh, this is sort of like asking why Swedes didn't become Italians when they became Christians.
That's like asking why the franks never became celts. Different races.
"Messianism too seems to have Persian antecedents, in the doctrine that at the end of time a figure will arise from the sacred seed of Zoroaster, who will establish all that is good on earth. It is not without significance that the Messianic idea does not appear in the Hebrew Bible until after the return from Babylon, that is to say after the time when the Jews came under Persian influence."
The Psalms are full of messianic refernces, and were written hendreds of years before the Babylonian captivity.
Yes. I'd say about 95% of the time I can tell the difference between an ethnic Persian and an ethnic Arab. Iranians who're Ethnic Persian or ethnic Azari tend to have a mixture of European and Mid-Eastern features and they make up close to 80% of Iran's populace, but you have darker featured or more semitic looking Iranians on the border of Iraq and Pakistan those are minority Baluchis 7% of the populace and even Iranian Arabs who are 2% of the populace on the border with Iraq.
The Turks were certainly not brought into the Byzantine Empire as foederati. The Seljuk Turks conquered the Caucasus in 1064, then proceeded to invade Anatolia in 1068, and defeated the Byzantine legions at the Battle of Manzikert in 1071, one of the greatest disasters to ever befall the West. They proceeded to viciously plunder Anatolia with impunity before the consolidated their hold over the depopulated heartland in the Sultanate of Rûm that lasted in some form from 1077 to 1307.
After 1243 the Sultanate effectively became a vassal tributary of the Mongol Khanates with intermittent rule by the Mamluks until the 1307 dissolution into petty emirates. Meanwhile, the Ottoman Turks had been migrating into Seljuk Anatolia since the 12th Century and the territories under the suzerainty of Osman I declared sovereignty in 1299. They immediately embarked on a campaign of expansion that ultimately subjugated and assimilated the competing Turks of Anatolia during the 14th Century, and the remnants of Byzantium in the 15th Century.
What are you some kind of a KOOK? (Keeper of odd knowledge )
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PS. I should clarify that there were Turks that were recruited as mercenaries by the Byzantines since before Manzikert, but they were not the Seljuk Turks that ultimately conquered Anatolia nor the Ottoman Turks that ultimately sacked Constantinople.
Don't buy that idea. The religion was founded by Zarathushtra (Zoroaster in Greek; Zarthosht in India and Persia). Conservative Zoroastrians assign a date of 6000 BCE to the founding of the religion; other followers estimate 600 BCE. Historians and religious scholars generally date his life sometime between 1500 and 1000 BCE on the basis of his style of writing.
I would look more to the Davidic kingdom for that. The papacy was set up as a monarchy with Christ the head. The office of the bishop of Rome would correspond with the job of a prime minister of that monarchy and the cardinal's being the others ministers. Matthew 16 corresponds to the bad prime minister Shebna being replaced with Eliakim, under the Davidic King Hezekiah in Isaiah 22:21-22. But then again I could just be full of baloney.
No. THe Koreans were in Korea long before the Mongols first showed up.
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