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1 posted on 07/31/2006 7:33:41 PM PDT by freedom44
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG


2 posted on 07/31/2006 7:34:01 PM PDT by freedom44
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To: freedom44

Bump for later read.


3 posted on 07/31/2006 7:37:09 PM PDT by StayoutdaBushesWay
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To: freedom44

bump for later


4 posted on 07/31/2006 7:37:40 PM PDT by true_blue_texican
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To: freedom44

The Persian Empire was the only one officially recognized by the Roman Empire. The Persians would no more be "swallowed up" by the Arabs than the Romans would.


5 posted on 07/31/2006 7:38:22 PM PDT by KellyAdmirer
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To: freedom44

bump


6 posted on 07/31/2006 7:43:31 PM PDT by lesser_satan (EKTHELTHIOR!!!)
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To: freedom44

To the Arabs, the Persians invented the stirrup.

Reality: The stirrup was invented in Korea in the 5th Century. It may have come to the Arabs from the Persians.

There was a crisis in Islam caused by its internal conflicts. A corrupt Caliph was murdered. If you were then opposed to his murder you supported corruption. If you did not support the Caliph, then you were in league with a murderer.

That conflict echoes down to the dispute between the Shi'ite and the Sunni even today.

The conflict: A Caliph who claims the backing of a perfect, powerful, and just G-d must himself be perfect, powerful, and just. If he ever is found to be less than perfect, then that is evidence that Allah is either less than perfect, less than all powerful, or else has withdrawn his favor.

There is no answer. If Osama proved the power of Allah on 9/11, then his loss of his base in Afghanistan has proved the withdrawal of Allah's favor.


7 posted on 07/31/2006 7:46:24 PM PDT by donmeaker (If the sky don't say "Surrender Dorothy" then my ex wife is out of town.)
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To: freedom44

I think that it may be an error to ignore the Shi'ite/Sunni division that distinguished Iran from the ultimately Arabized cultures to its west.


8 posted on 07/31/2006 7:48:43 PM PDT by AntiGuv ("..I do things for political expediency.." - Sen. John McCain on FOX News)
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To: freedom44

Uhh, this is sort of like asking why Swedes didn't become Italians when they became Christians.


10 posted on 07/31/2006 7:50:16 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: freedom44

That's like asking why the franks never became celts. Different races.


11 posted on 07/31/2006 7:50:59 PM PDT by pissant
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"Messianism too seems to have Persian antecedents, in the doctrine that at the end of time a figure will arise from the sacred seed of Zoroaster, who will establish all that is good on earth. It is not without significance that the Messianic idea does not appear in the Hebrew Bible until after the return from Babylon, that is to say after the time when the Jews came under Persian influence."

The Psalms are full of messianic refernces, and were written hendreds of years before the Babylonian captivity.


12 posted on 07/31/2006 7:54:30 PM PDT by fishtank
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Save for later.


16 posted on 07/31/2006 8:20:13 PM PDT by Sergio (If a tree fell on a mime in the forest, would he make a sound?)
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Perhaps even the title of the Pope in Rome: the Servant of the Servants of God... The whole idea of a church, not in the sense of a building, a place of worship, but a hierarchy under a supreme head, may well owe a good deal to Zoroastrian example.

Don't buy that idea. The religion was founded by Zarathushtra (Zoroaster in Greek; Zarthosht in India and Persia). Conservative Zoroastrians assign a date of 6000 BCE to the founding of the religion; other followers estimate 600 BCE. Historians and religious scholars generally date his life sometime between 1500 and 1000 BCE on the basis of his style of writing.

I would look more to the Davidic kingdom for that. The papacy was set up as a monarchy with Christ the head. The office of the bishop of Rome would correspond with the job of a prime minister of that monarchy and the cardinal's being the others ministers. Matthew 16 corresponds to the bad prime minister Shebna being replaced with Eliakim, under the Davidic King Hezekiah in Isaiah 22:21-22. But then again I could just be full of baloney.

19 posted on 07/31/2006 8:31:21 PM PDT by badpacifist ( I drive super slow in the ultra fast lane .....................yo deo oh ...oh de oh)
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Thanks Freedom44. Just adding this to the GGG catalog, not sending a general distribution.

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23 posted on 07/31/2006 9:21:26 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Thursday, July 27, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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B.


26 posted on 08/01/2006 1:22:13 AM PDT by Allan (*-O)):~{>)
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bookmark


29 posted on 08/01/2006 8:22:24 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet-pray for Israel))
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bookmark for later (just in case someone posts pix of the foxy persian ladies)


37 posted on 08/01/2006 11:30:35 AM PDT by bankwalker (An accusation is often a subconscious confession.)
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