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Was Qana Staged? Cont'd (Memogate II?)
NRO Corner ^ | July 31, 2006 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 08/01/2006 1:48:42 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182






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Monday, July 31, 2006

Was Qana Staged? Cont'd [Jonah Goldberg]
A giant banner denouncing Rice and the "Qana massacre" might have been made a bit too quickly.

I don't want to get too far out ahead on this, but I know we've got a zillion printer-type folks among our readers. Do you guys think such a banner could be made in 2-4 hours (particularly in a supposedly war-ravaged area)?

Update: From a reader:

"Do you guys think such a banner could be made in 2-4 hours (particularly in a supposedly war-ravaged area)?"

Heck no. A designer could throw it together in probably 15 minutes or so, but the longest part would be the printing. Notice how deep the reds and blacks are - this means they didn't just bust it out. I wouldnt be surprised if that job itself (requiring special equipment, as it looks to be printed on canvas or nylon, not merely paper) took 6 hours simply to print.

Also, that puppy would be expensive.

Update II: From a reader:

Nope. Not possible in 2 hours to design, typeset, print, assemble and transport to the site. 24 hours if you're really good to do all the above. I say that as an career commercial artist of 18 years now.

Update III: From another reader:

called a close friend who has a very large printing company in NY with the question.  he called out to one of his technicians as to how long a color 30 foot banner would take to produce.  the response was that it would have to be done by a special machine and that machine would take "5 to 6 hours."     by the way, their rather enormous, state of the art (less than 6 months old) facility doesn't even have the equipment necessary to do it.  so make a guess as to what's available in a war-ravaged area...

 

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2006israelwar; greenhelmentguy; islam; islamofascism; israel; jonahgoldberg; lebanon; mohamedanmedia; muhammadsminions; muslim; qana; racak; yes
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1 posted on 08/01/2006 1:48:44 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182

It sure is!


2 posted on 08/01/2006 1:50:18 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: Anti-Bubba182

The Islamoslobs have been very well aware from the beginning that half the battle takes place in the Media.. and much of the Media is corrupt.


3 posted on 08/01/2006 1:55:29 AM PDT by SeaBiscuit (God Bless America and All who protect and preserve this Great Nation.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182; jveritas

Could the picture have been done at one point and the writing added later?

JVeritas, can you give a translation of the writing on the banner?


4 posted on 08/01/2006 1:57:20 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Supporting the troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

There has been a lot of blogging about Qana. I have found good info at Little Green Footballs, EU Referendum, Pajamas Media, Michelle Malkin, and Confederate Yankee. It looks like the whole thing was a setup.


5 posted on 08/01/2006 2:01:04 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: xzins

Look at the bottom of the poster, it contains casualty scenes,
I guess from Qana.


6 posted on 08/01/2006 2:05:10 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Already Posted:

Was Qana Staged?

7 posted on 08/01/2006 2:08:10 AM PDT by BlessedBeGod (Benedict XVI = Terminator IV)
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To: xzins
The translation is on one of the links in the story. I suppose they refer to smart bombs as 'clever bombs' because 'smart' is not a word with which they are familiar. No suprise.

The massacre of children in Qana 2, is the gift of Rice. The clever bombs..Stupid

8 posted on 08/01/2006 2:12:14 AM PDT by edpc (Violence is ALWAYS a solution. Maybe not the right one....but a solution nonetheless)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
So what's the time line?

Banner printed

(days, weeks?)

Qana "bombed"

Banner posted?
9 posted on 08/01/2006 2:18:01 AM PDT by Dallas59
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Watch out for the Lefties, Democrats and terrorists to start calling the accusations being made of the Hezzies staging a massacre sick and perverted !
10 posted on 08/01/2006 2:21:15 AM PDT by Dallas59
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To: All
Someone invented the very descriptive word, Hezbollywood

Boy! is this whole thing (and lots of other enemy propaganda) being produced, directed, filmed, cut, pasted, hawked, distributed. . . .

11 posted on 08/01/2006 2:22:56 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: edpc
There are enough printers out there to tell if this poster could be produced between the time of the casualties and its appearance. It is urgent that an answer is found.

This is like the situation where the little boy was shot on video and everyone blamed Israel and Israel even apologized at first, only to find out that it was a Palestinian setup.

Israel needs to come out quickly in its defense in the media. They are too ready to take blame themselves.

12 posted on 08/01/2006 2:23:09 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Dallas59

Screw them! Go full on with an investigation! It is nothing for these animals to set up their own people's death for a Photo op. It is just like the Kid shot on video a few years back.


13 posted on 08/01/2006 2:27:22 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Do you guys think such a banner could be made in 2-4 hours (particularly in a supposedly war-ravaged area)?

It would take multiple large-format printers to create a poster that size that quickly, stitched together.

14 posted on 08/01/2006 2:27:24 AM PDT by HAL9000 (Get a Mac - The Ultimate FReeping Machine)
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To: Dallas59
Article #2 - The truth about Mohamad Aldura

The above is how they operate.

15 posted on 08/01/2006 2:32:28 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: HAL9000

Would that be common in that area?


16 posted on 08/01/2006 2:33:29 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182

ping


17 posted on 08/01/2006 2:39:10 AM PDT by SR 50 (Larry)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Would that be common in that area?

They're not common, but I've been in a couple of shops with multiple large-format printers. They are basically giant ink-jet printers.

Maybe Hezbollah bought several of them to make posters for demonstrations?

Also, it is a common practice to apply a laminate overcoat to the paper to make them more durable. It might be possible to interpose elements between the laminate and the paper.

18 posted on 08/01/2006 2:40:46 AM PDT by HAL9000 (Get a Mac - The Ultimate FReeping Machine)
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To: HAL9000

So, You would need the poster or samples of it to tell for sure.


19 posted on 08/01/2006 2:43:17 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182
HP.com - Large Format Printers
20 posted on 08/01/2006 2:44:37 AM PDT by HAL9000 (Get a Mac - The Ultimate FReeping Machine)
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To: HAL9000
Tonight, reader Postermaker made the following comments about that blog post:

"..Since I do banners like this for a living, I can tell you it take more than a few hours depending on the equipment. A banner that large can be done one of two ways. With a grant format printer. It would probably take about 3-4 hours to print, then hours more to sew and grommet so it could hung. It would have to be Made of heavy duty material or one that was reinforced or the sheer weight would rip it apart.

The other way it to use a smaller series of machines all color calibrated and produce sections. At that point they would have to be stretch the length of the banner ( read large facility) and sewn together. Additional support would go on the tops and bottoms.

In short if it was related Qana and went up within two hours- four hours, it was done prior to the bomb hitting. No other way. Just putting an image together that large on a computer with Type would take a few hours.

Then color tests, proofs and finally printing. That would be an all day affair for most print houses even with a grand format printer. The cost would be in the thousands.

Then you would have to transport it..."

21 posted on 08/01/2006 2:48:32 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Haven't read the whole thread but I'll reply.
That banner looks to me like large format inkjet.
It's usually printed on Flexface which is reinforced vinyl used for outdoor signage (especially backlit signs). I know this as I was a production manager at a sign company and we made signs just like this. Not only are large format inkjets very expensive, they need a very special computer setup with closed-loop color correction.


22 posted on 08/01/2006 3:16:42 AM PDT by visualops (visualops.com)
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To: visualops

In you opinion could this be done in two to four hours?


23 posted on 08/01/2006 3:20:00 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Just a question? Whose face is in the shadows behind Rice's? Is that Olmert?


24 posted on 08/01/2006 3:24:51 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Paging CNN...Who as of last night was reporting everything the Hezbos were saying about about Qana as incontrovertible fact.
25 posted on 08/01/2006 3:28:37 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: xzins

The main graphic could have been put together at any time, at issue would be adding the photo at the bottom, and the text. The imagery used needs to be very high resolution. The final image is going to be a very large sign which is, even on a powerful computer will take time to rip and send to the printer. The it's going to take time to print. A long time.


26 posted on 08/01/2006 3:29:05 AM PDT by visualops (visualops.com)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

If this proves true, the blogosphere triumphs once again. Long live the pajamahadeen.


27 posted on 08/01/2006 3:30:12 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: Anti-Bubba182

2 hours to complete the imagery, rip and print? No.
That sign looks to be about 30 feet long. That's big even for large format.


28 posted on 08/01/2006 3:32:46 AM PDT by visualops (visualops.com)
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To: visualops

So the most likely answer is that the poster was made in advance.


29 posted on 08/01/2006 3:35:37 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182

What's disturbing and quite telling, is the resources that are available, at literally a moment's notice, for the Islamofascists to capitalize on an incident and use the global media to spread the message.


30 posted on 08/01/2006 3:36:45 AM PDT by visualops (visualops.com)
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To: SeaBiscuit

"The Islamoslobs have been very well aware from the beginning that half the battle takes place in the Media.. and much of the Media is corrupt."

They learned this from the American media and the Soviet media. It is called Vietnamization of the media. They are losing every battle but winning in the press.


31 posted on 08/01/2006 3:37:55 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Democrats - The reason we need term limits)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Liberal Media exposed once again as easy dupes for Terrorists.


32 posted on 08/01/2006 3:39:15 AM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (WARNING: Alcohol may cause you to think you are whispering when you are definitely not.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

I don't know what the exact time frame was between the bombing and the poster.


33 posted on 08/01/2006 3:39:49 AM PDT by visualops (visualops.com)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Look at her fangs and the blood (lipstick) dripping from her lips to the pool of blood below containing the carnage of bodies.


34 posted on 08/01/2006 3:41:37 AM PDT by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: visualops

How many hours would it take in you opinion?


35 posted on 08/01/2006 3:50:40 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182

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36 posted on 08/01/2006 3:50:43 AM PDT by stlnative
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To: HAL9000

see post 36


37 posted on 08/01/2006 3:51:53 AM PDT by stlnative
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To: stlnative

How long would it take with this one?


38 posted on 08/01/2006 3:52:27 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182
The words could have been added to the basic background in little time.

In any case, the real problem of this discussion is it accepts the premise that if it wasn't staged Israel was being bad. The real question we should be asking is if the killing of Israel innocents from the hezbolla missiles is okay with everyone.

39 posted on 08/01/2006 3:54:06 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Anti-Bubba182

I just woke-up....can someone tell me when this giant poster first appeared and where?


40 posted on 08/01/2006 3:54:10 AM PDT by AZRepublican ("The degree in which a measure is necessary can never be a test of the legal right to adopt it.")
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To: Anti-Bubba182

read my whole post for the answer and visit the links.

If they have billboards in Lebanon or Syria then someone has one of these superwide billboard injet printers. They are not that expensive and this is not the only company who makes them.


41 posted on 08/01/2006 3:59:11 AM PDT by stlnative
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To: Anti-Bubba182

I'm sure Hezbollah has plenty of $350,000 printers laying around here and there.

Hezbollah is famous for their brutal Islamofascist terror tactics and for their soulful graphic artistry.


42 posted on 08/01/2006 3:59:30 AM PDT by LucidListless
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To: AZRepublican
I just woke-up....can someone tell me when this giant poster first appeared and where?

Some think it was shipped by Fed-Ex from Howard Deans' office but the evidence although compelling is still inconclusive. Fed-Ex has no comment.

43 posted on 08/01/2006 4:06:35 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: visualops

I think the question before this august body is: was this banner produced on a moment's notice? I have not heard any persuaive argument that it was "impossible", it does appear to be unlikely.

Certainly, Hezbollah has shown that they would not scruple at doing something like this.

Some have suggested that the dead were actually transported from a morgue in Tyre and that there appeared to be very little recovery activity. The "rescuers" do seem to be making more effort at displaying corpses than rending aid. Also the bodies do not appear to be fresh.

I wonder why there aren't any injured. Usually in a building collapse there appear to be about as many nonfatal injuries as fatal. All the victims on offer are dead, Jim. Where are the ones with broken arms or serious internal injuries, where are the walking wounded?

My BS meter is pegged.


44 posted on 08/01/2006 4:07:51 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: 'Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS: Fake But Accurate, Experts Say.')
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To: Anti-Bubba182

slightly less than 1 hour for a 16' x 139' banner - 16 x 139 = 2224 sq ft


45 posted on 08/01/2006 4:08:13 AM PDT by stlnative
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To: LucidListless
I'm sure Hezbollah has plenty of $350,000 printers laying around here and there.

They do have the technology. Until I read Wikepedia on them I thought they were simply a bunch of scum cave dweller types. A closer analogy would be if our very own liberals had an army in the US who have control over papers, news, politicians etc.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbolla

Media operations

Hezbollah operates a satellite television station from Lebanon, Al-Manar TV ("the Lighthouse") as well as a radio station, al-Nour ("the light"). Kabdat Alla ("The Fist of God") is the monthly magazine of Hezbollah's paramilitary wing.

46 posted on 08/01/2006 4:13:04 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Anti-Bubba182

I would say that banner is no more than 16' x 32' (512 sq ft and I am being generous on the size of it) - so no more than 15 minutes to actually print out on the superwide inklet printer I mentioned above which can do 2240 sq ft in one hour.


47 posted on 08/01/2006 4:13:24 AM PDT by stlnative
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To: stlnative

inklet = inkjet


48 posted on 08/01/2006 4:14:27 AM PDT by stlnative
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

She had a planned visit, is there anything about the poster particular to the bombing is the question I suppose. (Along with the logistics if there is).


49 posted on 08/01/2006 4:16:54 AM PDT by notigar
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
I think the question before this august body is: was this banner produced on a moment's notice? I have not heard any persuaive argument that it was "impossible", it does appear to be unlikely.

The answer is the large part of the banner probably was prepared beforehand. The real question is could the bottom have been added in a short time. As an accountant who prepared numerous documents using scissors, white-out and transparent tape back before Word and modern printers, I would not be ready to say a previous prepared poster could not be modified. I would be more persuaded if the area mentioning Qana were the large part.

50 posted on 08/01/2006 4:17:25 AM PDT by Raycpa
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