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Electrocution prompts lawsuit - Estate of painter sues [non-citizen suing non-profit]
THE NEWS-TIMES ^ | August 1, 2006 | Karen Ali

Posted on 08/01/2006 7:06:01 AM PDT by LurkedLongEnough

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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
Self interest. As I said before if your competitor cheats, you cheat or go out of business.
What would force them to not hire illegals? Enforcement of the present laws by the present President with the support of the present Senate.
Next time Bush tells you the "illegals are doing the work that Americans won't do" remember to finish the thought at half the wages to which Americans are accustomed.


Excellent post and oh soooooooooooo true.

Nice choice our government give us (legit business owners), either hire illegals and become criminals ourselves or get our asses handed to us every time we submit an estimate due to illegal competition.

This is GWB's greatest letdown to the American businessman.

It's a race to the bottom.
101 posted on 08/01/2006 11:43:04 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: LurkedLongEnough; Lazamataz; 2banana; domenad; Mike Darancette; drb9; thinkthenpost; JohnCliftn

Barefoot to boot.

102 posted on 08/01/2006 11:56:25 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: LurkedLongEnough
Russell said his client went to work that day ill-prepared to paint. He was wearing sneakers that had holes in them.

So, now we're supposed to not only place water fountains in the desert but also provide them with the proper footwear?

103 posted on 08/01/2006 1:26:01 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: LurkedLongEnough
***I wonder what the consensus is here.***

I don't know about consensus, but here's my $.02 (based on the article).

That company alone could solve our ILLEGAL immigration problem.
(Yeah I'm in a mean mood - my back frigging hurts and I can't sue anyone for it!)

104 posted on 08/01/2006 2:08:41 PM PDT by Condor51 (Better to fight for something than live for nothing - Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: drb9
Wow. This site is host to some disgusting, ugly views.

Okay, I too see a couple people (only two or three up until your post) who blow off a some steam by posting harsh responses, but you the occasion to criticize the whole site!?!?! There were a few arguments posted as well, or didn't you notice?

In case I'm not being clear, I too cringe at the apparent heartlessness of a couple of the plans, but as I contemplate , I come to the conclusion that the rhetorical tactic of overstatement is being used to accentuate point - this is just a debate after all.

It really concerns me that you take the opportunity here to take a swipe at the site.

The site provides a unique forum to hash out conservative philosophy and practice. Check out the DU site if you want to see consistent, pervasive, disgusting and ugly views.

105 posted on 08/01/2006 2:34:11 PM PDT by delacoert
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To: drb9
Good idea. I want my hospital, where I'm at risk for infection, to be cleaned by some simpleton from across the border rather than someone who knows what he is doing.

Have you been in any hospitals lately? Who do you think is doing the cleaning there now? I can tell you one thing - Hospitals here in Fairfax County, Virginia prefer their janitors illegal, undocumented, and easily replacable, apparently...

106 posted on 08/01/2006 6:58:59 PM PDT by detsaoT (Proudly not "dumb as a journalist.")
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To: raybbr

That picture speaks volumes. Jobs Americans won't do, indeed!


107 posted on 08/01/2006 7:00:54 PM PDT by detsaoT (Proudly not "dumb as a journalist.")
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To: RaceBannon; scoopscandal; 2Trievers; LoneGOPinCT; Rodney King; sorrisi; MrSparkys; monafelice; ...

Connecticut ping!

Please Freepmail me if you want on or off my infrequent Connecticut ping list.

108 posted on 08/01/2006 9:50:22 PM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/28/04)
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To: detsaoT
Forgive me for intruding on your point, Ma'am, but were you aware that all aliens were denied the right to petition or participate in the Federal Court system until after the 1940's?

No, I was not. (And please feel free to intrude at your discretion...I love discussing this type of thing :-)

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I'd argue that neither the Constitution nor "common law" offers any such right of writ, but rather the notion that "anyone can sue" is one bestowed upon us by the U.S. Code (see my post above), a product of Federal legislation created by cretins in Congress.

LOL! 'Cretins' is too mild a word. If you notice your US Code cite though, you'll see that the phrase 'United States' is NEVER used, but every time it says 'State', it actually means 'the United States'. This is more of the 'words of art' legal crapola government uses to control the people.-(d) The word “States”, as used in this section, includes the Territories, the District of Columbia, and the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico.

When certain things are included, everything else is, by default, excluded.

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Whether the federal government likes it or not, their jurisdiction is limited and restricted by the terms of the Constitutional contract.

Unfortunately, the People have become so ignorant of the construction of the law, they don't even realize that there is more than one type of 'law' in operation in our country. The government can say or do the most outrageous things, and the People say "Uh....okay!"

It's enough to make one ill!

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The reason illegals have *special* rights is because they ARE 'illegal'.

Using the intent of the Founders in establishing our Republic, you will discover there is NO SUCH THING as a ~United States citizen~. All the writings of the Founders that I've read say 'citizen of the United States', or State citizen.......NEVER United States citizen.

Even though the authority to create a new class of citizenship appears nowhere in the Constitution, the federal government has done just that. A 'United States citizen' is a creation of government. One of the oldest and most basic tenants of law, 'that which you create, you have the right to control', is what gives the federal government jurisdiction over US Citizens. The United States government was originally constructed to be a civil entity inside it’s Constitutional boundaries, and a statutory (or administrative) entity when dealing with the governments of the respective States.

Illegals have no *legal entity*, so they are still considered 'natural persons'. BY LAW. Natural persons are under the jurisdiction of natural, or common/civil law.

Here is nolo's definition of:
natural person
A living, breathing human being, as opposed to a legal entity such as a corporation. Different rules and protections apply to natural persons and corporations, such as the Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination, which applies only to natural persons.

That's why illegals get preferential treatment over Americans....they have no legal entity BECAUSE THEY ARE *illegal*.

It's also why the government is so hot under the collar to 'legalize' all the 'illegals'.

Since government has made 'citizenship' a burden instead of a benefit, I think it would be a good thing for all we lowly 'US citizens' to expatriate ourselves en masse.

109 posted on 08/02/2006 6:14:34 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am NOT a 'legal entity'...nor am I a *person* as created by law!)
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To: LurkedLongEnough
Update: In place of a monetary settlement Mrs.Martinez has agreed to accept 100 cans of refried beans.
110 posted on 08/02/2006 6:24:49 AM PDT by BigCinBigD (Merry Christmas!)
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To: delacoert

Hey--wait a minute. I'm a big fan of this site. I really didn't mean for my comment to be taken as a criticism of FR. Looking back, I can see that I shouldn't have phrased my response that way. My comments were directed exclusively to the two or three posters with extreme views.

I've been to DU. Please don't banish me to DU.


111 posted on 08/02/2006 8:25:00 AM PDT by drb9
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To: raybbr
YIKES, never heard of a cordless drill, unbelievable.
112 posted on 08/02/2006 8:26:34 AM PDT by thinkthenpost
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To: drb9
I really didn't mean for my comment to be taken as a criticism of FR. Looking back, I can see that I shouldn't have phrased my response that way. My comments were directed exclusively to the two or three posters with extreme views.

No harm, no foul. I appreciate your explanation. Sorry I took it the wrong way. Lets just agree that the 2-3 posters were over the top.

For what it's worth, I don't have the power to banish anyone. Neither do I have the influence to suggest such. Even if I did, I don't'd think for a minute that what you said deserves any punishment - it's just another voice in debate which is always welcome (IMO).

Post your thoughts and let the chips fall were they may.

Regards,
David

113 posted on 08/02/2006 12:35:27 PM PDT by delacoert
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