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8/2 Middle East Live Thread
8/1 Middle East Live Thread ^ | 8/2/06 | BurbankKarl

Posted on 08/01/2006 9:58:32 PM PDT by BurbankKarl

IDF: 400 Hezbollah down, 1200 to go

Report: 'Unprecedented' IAF presence over Baalbeck IDF commandos conducting raid deep in Lebanon; 3 soldiers killed in south Lebanon village

Israel sends up to 10,000 troops into southern Lebanon

Israeli Commandos Raid Hezbollah Hideout in Baalbek Hospital


TOPICS: Breaking News; Israel; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2006israelwar; daralislam; dhimmis; dhimmitude; hezbollah; humanshieldsrus; iran; islam; lebanon; middleeast; muhammadsminions; muslimcaliphate; ontolitani
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To: jeffers

i've been reading your posts and you seem to have some overarching strategy behind this invloving Iran and Syria.

And there seems to be a question of whether Olmert will go along with it or take the easy way out.

You even had a post last night that said "ding", as if you'd seen something that told you the game was afoot.

I was just wondering if you could lay out what the endgame is or a post that further explains what your views are.

What was with the raid last night? Was it connected to the "ding" and the larger plan?

any insight is appreciated


201 posted on 08/02/2006 1:06:13 AM PDT by jeltz25
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To: fatima

The only option here is 5.7 mhz wireless. $100 a month for 3 T-1s down and one up. That's double the bandwidth the 11th largest airline in the US uses, for 7,000 employees.

Dial-up's ok, the information density in text is about 3723625235893836453542 times that of FOX, times ten to the 389373256252517283983919827365126187128287 power for CNN.

In fact, I think CNN results in negative flow. Stuff you already learned leaves your head when watching, and you end up dumber by the hour.

Look what happened to Saddam.


202 posted on 08/02/2006 1:08:24 AM PDT by jeffers
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To: BurbankKarl
That cartoon can have interesting domestic political ramifications if people are daring enough to exploit it.

On the one hand, it is of the same infammatory nature as the Mohammed cartoons that caused riots and deaths in Europe. On the other hand, Americans are not known to riot because of a cartoon, which sets Americans apart from other cultures.

On another hand, the racist nature of equating African-Americans with monkeys is the main agit-prop. I don't know what Hezbollah was thinking by using this imagery, but I can only assume that it was meant to undermine Secretary Of State Rice and inflame underclass sentiment in the United States during the campaign season. To Hezbollah, there is the double-meaning of Jews and apes, too. Surely they must know that African-Americans vote for Democrats at greater than 90%, and with the upcoming mid-term elections they might have tried to enrage blacks to reject the Administration's push for war on terrorism (the monkey baby) and support Democrats, they way that the "Arab Street" gets enraged on-command and takes to the streets to support Islamic positions. On the other other hand, this could wake up Americans of all persuasions to recognize the attempted manipulations and reinforce their support for Israel against Hezbollah, and by extension, the war on terror.

And then there is the timing of this cartoon and the huge poster of Rice with fangs and droplets of blood on her lips, with the Qana 2 text over it.

-PJ

203 posted on 08/02/2006 1:10:27 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: AdmSmith

Iran will have to impose gasoline rationing in September regardless of world events.

Iran has until the end of August to stop enriching uranium or face sanctions, which can include bans on imported gasoline.

Rock?

Meet very hard place.


204 posted on 08/02/2006 1:12:31 AM PDT by jeffers
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To: jeffers
I retain and store but so do you jeffers.I respect your numbers but thing an egghead here can help but I see you as taking a fact and digesting it and turning it over and you might turn it over a few more times as with the levee's..It works OK in your time scale..
205 posted on 08/02/2006 1:21:44 AM PDT by fatima (By the time we reached Virginia City I was considered a remarkable good shot Calamity Jane)
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To: jeffers

TEHRAN, July 31 (MNA) - Iran imported about USD 1.8 billion of gasoline during the first quarter of the Iranian calendar year 1385, started March 21.

The nation's gasoline imports from 10 Asian and European nations during the first four months of the year hit 2,569 million kilograms valued at USD 1,803 million, a report released by the Oil Ministry said on Monday.

The UAE, India, the Netherlands, France, Turkey, Kuwait, Spain exported to Iran gasoline worth USD 1,44 million, USD 270,340,000, USD 245,170,000, USD 124,412,000, USD 21,997,000, USD 20,868,000, and USD 20,190,000 respectively, the report said adding, Turkmenistan, Sudan and Azerbaijan Republic were among other exporters of the commodity to Iran.

http://www.mehrnews.ir/en/NewsDetail.aspx?NewsID=360970


206 posted on 08/02/2006 1:29:33 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: jeffers
I've been watching closely for coastal bombardment. So far, all quiet, except for some inland stuff down near the border well south of Tyre.

It's not quiet here, but it's all offense noises. Helicopters and warplanes are very active in our skies today.

I haven't heard any explosions, though. Or any firefights.

And that's a good thing.

207 posted on 08/02/2006 1:38:00 AM PDT by Allegra (FReeping LIVE! from "the other war zone.")
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Olmert: Israel destroyed Hizbollah infrastructure
208 posted on 08/02/2006 1:44:44 AM PDT by HAL9000 (Happy 10th Anniversary FreeRepublic.com - Founded September 23, 1996 - Thanks Jim!)
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To: jeltz25

"Ding" was in reply to Knitting a Conundrum's post that the IDF raid had set down near a hospital.

It was clear that the raid was way too deep in bad guy land to get any armored or indirect support before Hezb got its act together and overran them, so it had to be a smash, grab and run, instead of a toehold for a sustained presence.

Folks here were looking at options which included a blocking force to prevent resupply from Syria. I wanted them to look at other options instead, but didn't want to go into detail about a raid currently in progress.

There was another of those, "...and ding", a few posts later, when it was mentioned that IAF had pasted targets 15 km west of there, with possible AB assault in that location as well.

That corresponded with an earlier attempt near Yammouni, which we sort of boiled down to a possible raid on WMD stockpiles. It in fact turned out to be an attack on Chlifa, a very short distance from Yammouni, objectives not yet published.

I like to be real careful in discussing ongoing or future operations initiated by friendly forces, but have no objection to spilling the beans on enemies.

In that light, "Iran, Syria, Hamas and Hezbollah" in the current events context boil down to one guy, Khameinei. Whether he's giving orders or making offers that can't be refused, he sits dead in the center of this whole mess.

He either wants to build Muslim support to help him get away with his nuke program long enough to achieve ignition, or else he wants justification that he'd have to have to initiate an offensive, since his military options are so slim as to require attacks on brother Muslim countries (Iraq, Kuwait, SA, Qatar, Bahrain, Oman, and possibly Egypt) to have any chance of success.

Ahmadinejad's a frontman/balloon tester, and Ill Dong is at least willing to play red herring to get advanced US ABM assets out of play, and maybe willing to become an active participant if he thinks he can re-unite North and South Korea while we are looking elsewhere or too busy to stop him.

Turkey's straddling the fence, threatening iraqi Kurds, Iraqi pols are looking to cut the best deal possible, not sure who will win, and SA, Egypt, and Jordan are looking to find middle ground between their Muslim street and having to learn how to speak "Shia".

Pakistan's a little more complex, with variables including their own street, current a future quid pro quos from the US, internal dynamics that still revere extremism, Kashmir, etc.

Olmert has to balance between Hezbollah rockets closing Haifa, and cracked containment at Dimona. So far, he's got the balancing act down, but progress along both fronts is important.

France, Russia, and China all like hard currency Iranian "petro" dollars.

In Khameinei's perfect world, all the above, plus the EU, and a grand offensive, if necessary, combine to keep US bullies off his back until he can light one up southwest of Mashad, tell the whole world to step back, tell all his neighbors to JUMP back, and tell Israel to go to hell, possibly quite literally. At that point, he "owns" all the oil, sends the US back to North America, to await their eventual demise after the larders are wired to Tehran to satisfy the monkey on our back, and Allah then kneels and kisses his ring.


209 posted on 08/02/2006 1:50:06 AM PDT by jeffers
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To: All

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1676188/posts?page=24#24
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HOT AIR.com - VENT with Michelle Malkin: "WHAT HAPPENED IN QANA?" (Video)
August 1, 2006
http://hotair.com/archives/vent/2006/08/01/what-happened-in-qana/

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Note: See Map. See Video.

http://off-topic.internet-haganah.com/archives/000509.html
August 01, 2006

"ROCKET LAUNCHINGS FROM QANA"


210 posted on 08/02/2006 1:57:39 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: Allegra

A proactive stance addresses some pre-emption towards the fat boy, and a close eye east of Amarah.

Git 'em.


211 posted on 08/02/2006 2:08:24 AM PDT by jeffers
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To: fatima

Video imparts higher information densities, orders of magnitude higher, shallowly across a wide spectrum, but those who control it have agendas that require significant time to filter out.

Text offers greater depth and is easier to filter.

In a perfect world, I'd have a multiplexer, a staff feeding me text and vidlinks as reqested, including 1m per pixel RT overheads, and just process away.

Short of the hi-res imagery, the above pretty well describes FR.

:-)


212 posted on 08/02/2006 2:16:19 AM PDT by jeffers
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To: All

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=23655
"STAGE-MANAGED MASSACRE"
By Robert Spencer
FrontPageMagazine.com | August 2, 2006

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HOT AIR.com - VENT with Michelle Malkin: "WHAT HAPPENED IN QANA?" (Video)
August 1, 2006
http://hotair.com/archives/vent/2006/08/01/what-happened-in-qana/

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Note: See Map. See Video.

http://off-topic.internet-haganah.com/archives/000509.html
August 01, 2006

"ROCKET LAUNCHINGS FROM QANA"


213 posted on 08/02/2006 2:25:51 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: jeffers
For you jeffers but we know for the public it is different.The video link I gave you from Cindy had audio,video and graphics and it was a man's last dying words.You would have had your staff pull up the link.Not for anything as much as a reminder but you work well with what you have.
214 posted on 08/02/2006 2:28:53 AM PDT by fatima (By the time we reached Virginia City I was considered a remarkable good shot Calamity Jane)
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To: All

Reuters - ROCKET FIRED BY HIZBOLLAH IN LEBANON STRIKES BEIT SHEAN, DEEPEST INTO ISRAEL - ISRAEL RADIO


215 posted on 08/02/2006 2:38:09 AM PDT by HAL9000 (Happy 10th Anniversary FreeRepublic.com - Founded September 23, 1996 - Thanks Jim!)
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To: fatima

Dennis Smith, the NYFD guy who wrote "Report from Engine Company 82" also wrote "Report from Ground Zero", several hundred pages of just what you describe.

I learned to hate terrorists when they threw Robert Stetham out on the tarmac, maybe earlier than that. I know we watched the Munich Olympics, but the kidnappings are hazy, I was only about 8 at the time.

9/11, then, was...a battle to be dealt with...not an...enlightenment. No matter how much it hurts, you can't stop to sightsee at times like that, doing so gets more of ours killed.

Contemplation takes place on quiet nights, alone.

The folks here at FR are not "staff'. Posting in words that could be interpreted that way was dumb of me, never an intention, instead a possibility overlooked, what we are here is a cooperative endeavor. It still functions that way though, the width and depth of what is presented here is such that a command structure would be irrelevent.

At times I wonder how long we will be allowed to enjoy this kind of freedom, because the concept itself destroys any hope of operational or tactical surprise if leveraged properly.

In fact, now that I think about it, it is both a natural result and a natural cause in the wide view of the evolutionary process. If we don't sterilize the planet first, we may have no choice but to assimilate the basic tools necessary for lasting peace, globally, instead of the selective way we embrace the elevation of the importance of the individual, balanced with needs of the cooperative whole, now, on a country by country and region by region basis.

If wars are doomed to fail for lack of surprise, then what other choice do we have?


216 posted on 08/02/2006 2:48:39 AM PDT by jeffers
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To: sageb1

Yeesh! This guy really is a psycho. Who in blazes is he?


217 posted on 08/02/2006 2:48:57 AM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: BurbankKarl

Sorry for my late reply.

Thanks for the link.


218 posted on 08/02/2006 2:53:38 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: sofaman

They look stressed and bored.

Cheer up, kids. Better days are ahead of you.

God bless all of you. Sweet dreams.


219 posted on 08/02/2006 2:59:26 AM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: Allegra
OMG, Allegra, stop with the parallel universe stuff!

a. I too have my tonsils and was plagued with tonsillitis several times a year while growing up.

b. I was a military brat - my dad spent 23 years in the Air Force, which explains why I still HAVE my tonsils - and I lived in Illinois, Alabama, England for 5 years, and then California.

c. And I was a music major, voice, in college (Go Aztecs!) with 5+ years of lessons.

d. And, finally, I am also a genius like you, as evidenced by the fact that we are both devoted Freepers!

220 posted on 08/02/2006 3:02:30 AM PDT by IrishRainy
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