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Sen. Brownback: ACLU -- Not Taxpayers -- Should Foot the Bill for Church-State Lawsuits
AgapePress ^ | 8/3/6 | Jody Brown

Posted on 08/04/2006 7:09:56 AM PDT by ZGuy

Proposed Legislation Would Halt Lucrative Legal Attacks on Religious Freedom

Some U.S. senators this week have heard testimony from both sides on a piece of legislation that would strip legal fees from church-state lawsuits. Such legal victories, often described as "Establishment Clause" cases, have provided the American Civil Liberties Union with millions of dollars in profits as it pursues numerous cases challenging public displays of religious belief in America.

Senator Sam Brownback (Rep.-KS) says public officials who fear costly litigation often cave in to the mere threat of lawsuits alleging violation of the separation of church and state. That is why he is sponsoring a Senate bill that would block plaintiffs from collecting attorneys fees for lawsuits alleging "establishment of religion."

The Public Expressions of Religion Act (PERA) (S. 3696) was the topic of discussion at hearings on Wednesday (August 2) before a Senate Judiciary subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights and Property Rights. The U.S. House is considering similar legislation (H.R. 2679) that is sponsored by Indiana Congressman John Hostettler. Brownback has made it clear in recent weeks that if groups like the ACLU want to sue city after city for displays of religious images, it should be on their own dime -- not at taxpayers' expense.

At yesterday's hearing, Brownback said attorneys fees should not be awarded to plaintiffs who file lawsuits alleging violation of separation of church and state. "Many jurisdictions simply acquiesce to the demands of the ACLU and prohibit all displays of religious faith in order to avoid the potential expense of litigation," the senator said. "Legal fees is the threat that the ACLU uses."

Such fees, he said, were never meant to be awarded in cases charging government with establishment of religion. "Congress's intent in passing the fee-shifting statute in 1976 was to prevent racial injustice and discrimination," the lawmaker pointed out. "Thirty years later these laws are being used simply to purge religious faith -- and symbols of any faith -- from our society at taxpayer expense."

But Melissa Rogers, a professor of religion and public policy at Wake Forest University, defended the fees, saying they are appropriate to discourage government from promoting religion. "I do not want the government to be involved in promoting the cross and the gospel," Rogers stated. "That is my job as a Christian; that is not the government's job."

And in the educator's opinion, religion that is promoted by the government runs the risk of being corrupted. "I am very fearful that the day the government gets its hands on the cross is the day that the cross is used as a means to a political end," she said.

But American Legion lawyer Rees Lloyd charged that lucrative lawsuits -- like the 17-year battle challenging San Diego's Mount Soledad cross -- sometimes are used as a threat against municipalities. He cites as another example a legal threat that prompted the City of Los Angeles to remove a cross from its county symbol. "That is the kind of hocus-pocus that is going on to accommodate views that I think are absolutely in the extreme," the attorney said, "and it made the ACLU the Taliban of American liberal secularism."

In recent days Congress has passed a bill that could save the 29-foot Mount Soledad cross, located in a suburb of San Diego, by making it federal property. President Bush is expected to sign the bill.

Also testifying before the subcommittee were Marc Stern of the American Jewish Congress, Mat Staver with Liberty Counsel, and Shannon Woodruff, senior research counsel with the American Center for Law and Justice.

Huge Fees a 'Perverse' Incentive Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, strongly supports Senator Brownback's Public Expressions of Religion Act -- and in light of the Mount Soledad situation, he believes now is the appropriate time for the legislation to be considered. "For long-term protection, we need the Brownback bill now," he says.

He calls the lucrative legal fees being won in lawsuits targeted expressions of religion a "perverse" incentive. PERA, he says, is needed to repeal a section of the Civil Rights Attorney Fees Act that gives groups like the ACLU "a financial incentive" to attack all public expressions of religion. "This perverse incentive also pressures embattled state and local authorities to capitulate rather than be forced into lengthy, costly litigation," says the FRC leader.

Perkins says the City of San Diego had been "feeling the pinch" with the Mount Soledad case, but that with the anticipated White House approval of the recently passed legislation, the ACLU and others -- he calls them "militant secularlists" -- will now have to sue the Pentagon to get at the cross. "And the Pentagon has some experience of fighting," he warns.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government
KEYWORDS: 109th; aclu; brownback; churchandstate; federalspending; fundingtheleft; lawsuit; pera; s3696
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1 posted on 08/04/2006 7:09:57 AM PDT by ZGuy
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To: ZGuy

Oh, I like that thinking!


2 posted on 08/04/2006 7:11:28 AM PDT by pissant
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To: ZGuy

The ACLU should not be on the government dole.

They are not American,Civil, or for Liberty, but definately are a Union.

A Union of anti-american socialists.


4 posted on 08/04/2006 7:24:53 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: ZGuy
"That's my job as a Christian" Roberts said.

Horse hockey. There are not any ACLU lawyers who have religion. What a crock!

5 posted on 08/04/2006 7:26:15 AM PDT by Sunshine Sister
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To: Bigh4u2; All

This is so long overdue.


6 posted on 08/04/2006 7:29:44 AM PDT by mountainfolk (God bless President George Bush)
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To: mountainfolk

The ACLU should be sued by the government for plagarism.

Using the word 'American' in their name.


7 posted on 08/04/2006 7:31:14 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: ZGuy

Hm...


8 posted on 08/04/2006 7:31:21 AM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President! www.dndorks.com)
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To: ZGuy
Politicians like to talk about the "chilling effect" certain legislation or regulation would have on various social activities. There can be little question that the current legal protocol that awards costs to the ACLU has a "chilling effect" on the public's right to have it religious cases heard. This law would go miles toward addressing that.

Killing religion should not be a profit center.

9 posted on 08/04/2006 7:43:24 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: IronJack

Amen. Also we should not be forced to pay for our own religious death watch. These proposals are the first glimmer of hope I've seen for Christians in this country for a long time. We really need to get behind these and push Congress.


10 posted on 08/04/2006 7:48:03 AM PDT by WVNan (In memory of LadyX,, the finest of Free Republic)
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To: ZGuy

It will be filibustered.


11 posted on 08/04/2006 7:50:10 AM PDT by Prysson
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To: ZGuy
sponsoring a Senate bill that would block plaintiffs from collecting attorneys fees for lawsuits alleging "establishment of religion."

Long overdue = would be a good start. If the ACLU had to suck up it's legal fees for all these frivolous and malicious lawsuits, meant to further their goal of destroying this country, there would be far less lawsuits.

First, cut them off at the knees - then bury them. They have been the greatest enemy within for decades - and they use OUR money to destroy us///

12 posted on 08/04/2006 8:08:44 AM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." Lincoln)
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To: ZGuy

Maybe if the GOP would focus in stuff like this, tort reform, school choice, real border security, etc., they would have better poll numbers. But hey, what do I know?


13 posted on 08/04/2006 8:13:45 AM PDT by stevio (Red-Blooded Crunchy Con American Male (NRA))
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To: ZGuy
Why the hack is my tax dollars going to pay a bunch of rabid vermin like the ACLU for their evil anti-Christian lawsuits?
It should be stopped AT ONCE!
Congress should at least solvage something for their wasted year of illegal alien boondoggle giving, by passing a law to cut off tax peyer money from the rabid ACLU.
14 posted on 08/04/2006 8:23:13 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: ZGuy

Senator Alexander

I urge you to join Senator Brownback and support The Public Expressions of Religion Act (PERA) (S. 3696).

It is my belief that the ACLU is perverting the existing law to destroy what many of us consider to be America. We don’t like the ACLU and its attack on American institutions.

I would hope the bill will prevent the use of public funds to attack the Boy Scouts of America as well. It is hard enough to make a Scout troop economically viable without the need to constantly fight inane lawsuits designed primarily to harass.

While I will be happy if you support the legislation, I will be even happier if I see you on Fox and Friends giving your vocal support and letting the public know the battle has been joined.

Faxed 08/04/06


15 posted on 08/04/2006 8:29:10 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. Slay Pinch)
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To: stevio
Maybe if the GOP would focus in stuff like this, tort reform, school choice, real border security, etc., they would have better poll numbers. But hey, what do I know?

Hear, hear! Are you listening, GOP wannabes for this fall's elections?

16 posted on 08/04/2006 9:43:03 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: ZGuy

TheACLU should not be funded by the taxpayers, PERIOD!


17 posted on 08/04/2006 1:09:53 PM PDT by Bommer
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To: ZGuy

...and make it retroactive to 1947.


19 posted on 09/10/2006 12:59:17 PM PDT by Vision ("As a man thinks...so is he." Proverbs 23:7)
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To: Bommer

Exactly right, and the Justice Dept/IRS should look at Jesse Jackson's status, use of extortion money.


20 posted on 09/10/2006 1:02:57 PM PDT by pleikumud
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