[BlackElk]

That is "sniffling" and not "sniffing."

New Englanders proposing the Hartford Convention were the typical pro-British wealthy business interests uber alles types who were just angry that their profits were being restrained by the War of 1812. The Convention was slated for 1815, three years after Madison became president.

I come from Connecticut originally (54 years worth) and I certainly reject the notion that it is easy to sympathize with the New England moneychangerwimps of the Hartford Convention era who wanted to sell out their country to restore their profits.

Last time I checked, Jefferson was the president who actually purchased the Louisiana Territory (most of our country after the purchase) for $3 million in gold paid to Napoleon.

I had not noticed that Jefferson lost the naval war with the Barbary Pirates. In fact, his victory is part of the Marine Corps anthem. We wind up fighting the Arabs every century or so: Jefferson's War, the Perdicaris Affair of 1904 and the present necessary and preliminary unpleasantness.

Jackson also confronted the Spanish over Florida while John Quincy Adams, as the (New England Federalist lookalike Secretary of State) wanted to engage in endless diployakketyyak instead of taking Florida to stop cross-border criminality of Florida-based brigands whom Spain could not or would not control.

Jackson was a Jeffersonian and not a Whig. The Whigs did not long survive his wildly popular presidency and his crushing of another Whig institution: Biddle's Bank of the United States.

Certain traits run in families. Nicholas Biddle's distant descendant, female cathouse operator Sidney Biddle Barrows was the infamous "Mayflower Madame." I am going to go out on a limb here and guess that she is a Clinton Demonrat, and, like Old Nick, more Hamiltonian than Jeffersonian by far.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Any review of history will show that the economy of the entire nation was devastated by Jefferson's embargo not just the "profits" of the shipowners of NE. That was when the first murmurs of secession began.

Jefferson stumbled into the Louisiana Purchase and had only authorized Livingston to obtain the port of New Orleans. Napoleon decided it would be in his interest to give us Louisiana so that the British would have to fight us for it rather than him. He had planned to take it back had his invasion of Haiti been successful. But the loss of 25,000 troops there put an end to that plan. Jefferson's role in the LP was similar to that of Clinton in the boom economy of the nineties. Without the National Bank he fought there would have been no means of actually buying it either.

Jeffersonians had systemically sabotaged the naval building program initiated by the Federalists in the 1790s thus the navy was far weaker than planned making conflicts more inevitable and more costly. Their excuse was financial. Jefferson only acted when he HAD to and had the means to succeed in spite of his party's best efforts.

John Quincy Adams was not a Federalist. He went over to the Dark Side prior to his selection as SoS.

Jackson was a military hero. Whig military heroes were also popular. The bank he destroyed was created by a democrat-republican Congress and signed into law by a democrat-republican President, Monroe. It was rechartered after the d-r ideologues realized how important it was to financing the defense efforts of the nation. They realized that Hamilton was correct when the bills for the War of 1812 came due.

Democrats have always been anti-Hamiltonian your irrelevant aside notwithstanding.