Posted on 08/04/2006 1:39:32 PM PDT by jmc1969
The United States needs to begin withdrawing troops from Iraq within the next six months, Sen. Chuck Hagel said Thursday, rather than ratcheting up its military commitment now.
With Iraq exploding in sectarian violence and “moving closer and closer to a straight-out civil war,” Hagel said, the Bush administration’s decision to transfer nearly 5,000 additional U.S. troops into Baghdad is “only going to make it worse for us.”
With violence “out of control” and militias in charge, Hagel said, U.S. troops increasingly are “seen as occupiers.”
It’s also possible Iraq may evolve into some kind of Islamic republic, he said.
In the end, he said, “feed(ing) more American troop fodder into the fight” could result in “even a worse defeat.”
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Hagel: Begin shutting the hell up---NOW!!!
When is this Jackass up for reelection?
Hagel: Time for Wapner.
Pandering to the Moonbat-wacko voters...is he in a tight election race?
Hmmmmmmmm. Let's see now. When was Hagel elected Commander in Chief?
Give it a rest Chuckie. You're not the only Vietnam veteran in government.
Hagle's a genius. So let the violence in Baghdad spiral further out of control so the militas and death squads feel they can operate with impunity and thus the violence will worsen. That won't make things worse for us or anything. THINK genius boy. The sooner we collar this violence and those committing it, the sooner then we can justify leaving. To leave Baghdad in an uncontrolled spiral of violence will be a defeat. Get a grip dipsh-t.
He seems to be culling attention more recently; likely trying to position for POTUS 2008.
Hillary-Hagel, the left's dream ticket for 2008
ditto
Only if we are withdrawing towards Iran!
Well, we've got plenty of RINOS, but, do they have DINOS?
Me: Good candidates begin challenge to Hagel SOON.
This is why frankly I prefer not to have a Viet vet in government. With all due respect to our people who served there, other than McCain, Viet vets currently serving in government (not referring to non-government vets) all seem to be defeatists who view every conflict through the lense of Vietnam, no matter how non-analogous the conflict may be to Vietnam. So many of them seem to have gotten into government with the single minded notion of wanting to be there to "prevent further Vietnams." Kerry is the perfect example of this mindset.
I don't think the democrats will every nominate a republican for their ticket
The new... Lowell Weiker.
Only have Dino's in Nebraska, where the Democrat senator is more conservative than the Republican.
LMAO, I hope if Hagel's running for POTUS in 08 he's doing so for the Democrats. His stupid rhetoric and far left posturing won't make him anything other than a laughing stock among GOP primary voters.
But we need an administration that stamps out this stupid talk with a forceful reply.
What's the guy's name?
A decorated war hero, Johnson was awarded two Silver Stars, two Legions of Merit, the Distinguished Flying Cross, one Bronze Star with Valor, two Purple Hearts, four Air Medals, and three Outstanding Unit Awards.
Point taken.
Rep Johnson ........ He spent nearly seven years as a prisoner of war, half of that time in solitary confinement.
:)
I'll add Rep. Johnson who I confess I've never heard of to the McCain exception in terms of not being defeatist on natl. security. Unfortunately Johnson and McCain's voices for remaining steadfast are drowned out and ignored by the media in favor of the Kerry/Hagel/Murtha defeatists.
Ben Nelson.
Not a single DINO in the Senate nowadays. Lieberman is pro "War Against Terrorism" but otherwise he's pretty much straight liberal. Yeah, you'll get one or two DEMS voting for the tax cuts, etc. once in a while but they aren't really DINO's. They are in very Red states and know that they will lose their job if they voted otherwise on some issues. Once they get reelected they pretty much go back to their liberal voting ways until it gets closer to the end of their 6 year term. Talk about real "mind-numbed robots".
Stuff a sock in it Hagel. Better yet, a box of DCON
When can we begin the withdrawl of Chuck Hagel from the senate? I think if we did that we probably WOULD be able to bring home our troops earlier.
Hagel, Condi's friend I am told. Hmmmm!!!
YES!
Sad Sack Hagel can't buy a clue!!
The U. S. will leave Iraq someday unless we are willing to take care of that country indefinitely.
We can do no more for the Iraqi people than we have done even if we stay there for a hundred more years. We have removed Saddam, helped them to adopt a written constitution, a democratically elected government, invested more billions than the entire country is worth, and trained their army. Why not leave now?
But first, we should take over the oilfields and place them under a U.S. protectorate.
Iraq, less we forget, is a Muslim country. Let's leave and let them go back to killing each other as they have been doing since time immemorial.
Hagel's old man should have considered an early withdrawal...like before conception occurred!
Do NOT be fooled. The Dems. like Chick know how successful we have been in Iraq, they will never be able to admit it, because if they do, they automatically become losers. The Dem job is to MAKEURE we fail in Iraq.
That is why Chuck and others like him should be ferociously attacked in the press as traitors to their nation, and to the cause of freedom.
CUT and RUN bastids.
I did.
I see Hagel as one who is unaware of Pre- WWII history\nor does he seem to uinderstand the strategic goal of pre-empting the formation of an Islamofascist Axis from Lebanon to India, and the effect it would have , if formed, on the whole world.
Hagel's misplaced liberalism is not only untimely, but ill conceived, and hardly what the nation needs at this time.
It took Winston Churchill several years of consistent communication to convince New Deal Roosevelt that there would soon not be any way to have a free Society if the Fascists took Europe, and then readjusted sights on America.
The current Islamofascist movement seeks to control nations, form an axis and conquer the world into their own image. The issues that Hagel canvases, as do Buckley and Will, are from the Ivory Towers of Academe, where the cries of the molested do not reach. I prefer the musings of Charles Krauthammer , and Ed Koch, who support President Bush.
The idiocy of Hagel's ( Buckley and Will) approach will become apparent as we move along in time, just as the idiocy of the Academic crowd and the liberals, Including then Ambassador to Britain, Joseph Kennedy, and the heroic Charles Lindburg, both who thought the Fascists of Europe were merely seeking self determination, and were not really that bad.
Too bad for Hagel , Buckley and Will. They are on the wrong side of History, and in the next few years, the Churchillian Case,, as I call it, will have to be made to the American Public, if not sooner:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_P._Kennedy,_Sr. *********************************************
Anti-Semitism
Kennedy was (for a while) a close friend with leading Jewish lawyer Felix Frankfurter, who helped Kennedy get his sons into the London School of Economics, where they worked with Harold Laski, a leading Jewish intellectual and prominent Socialist.[4] While holding positive attitudes towards individual Jews, Kennedy's views of the Jews as a people were, by his own admission, overwhelmingly negative.
According to Harvey Klemmer, who served as one of Kennedy's embassy aides, Kennedy habitually referred to Jews as "kikes or sheenies." Kennedy allegedly told Klemmer that "[some] individual Jews are all right, Harvey, but as a race they stink. They spoil everything they touch."[5] When Klemmer returned from a trip to Germany and reported the pattern of vandalism and assault on Jews by Nazis, Kennedy responded "well, they brought it on themselves."[6]
On June 13, 1938, Kennedy met with Herbert von Dirksen, the German ambassador in London, who reported to Berlin that Kennedy had told him that "it was not so much the fact that we want to get rid of the Jews that was so harmful to us, but rather the loud clamor with which we accompanied this purpose. [Kennedy] himself fully understood our Jewish policy."[7] Kennedy's main concern with such violent acts against German Jews as Kristallnacht was that they generated bad publicity in the West for the Nazi regime, a concern he communicated in a letter to Charles Lindbergh.[8]
Kennedy had a close friendship with Nancy Astor, who shared (and perhaps surpassed) his hatred of the Jews; the correspondence between them is replete with anti-Semitic tropes.[9] As Edward Renehan notes:
As fiercely anti-Communist as they were anti-Semitic, Kennedy and Astor looked upon Adolf Hitler as a welcome solution to both of these "world problems" (Nancy's phrase). No member of the so-called "Cliveden Set" (the informal cabal of appeasers who met frequently at Nancy Astor's palatial home) seemed much concerned with the dilemma faced by Jews under the Reich. Astor wrote Kennedy that Hitler would have to do more than just "give a rough time" to "the killers of Christ" before she'd be in favor of launching "Armageddon to save them. The wheel of history swings round as the Lord would have it. Who are we to stand in the way of the future?" Kennedy replied that he expected the "Jew media" in the United States to become a problem, that "Jewish pundits in New York and Los Angeles" were already making noises contrived to "set a match to the fuse of the world."[10]
By August 1940, Kennedy worried that a third term for Roosevelt meant war; as Leamer reports, "Joe believed that Roosevelt, Churchill, the Jews and their allies would manipulate America into approaching Armageddon."[11] Nevertheless Kennedy campaigned for Roosevelt. Even during the height of the conflict, however, Kennedy remained "more wary of" prominent American Jews such as Felix Frankfurter than he was of Hitler.[12]
Kennedy told reporter Joe Dinneen:
It is true that I have a low opinion of some Jews in public office and in private life. That does not mean that I... believe they should be wiped off the face of the earth... Jews who take an unfair advantage of the fact that theirs is a persecuted race do not help much... Publicizing unjust attacks upon the Jews may help to cure the injustice, but continually publicizing the whole problem only serves to keep it alive in the public mind. When Dinneen wrote The Kennedy Family, he was pressured to remove these quotations from the book by John F. Kennedy himself. Dineen complied.[13]
***************************************** Hagel is a pantywaist, hardly the kind of man our nation needs at this time. And just below the surface, I also suspect that he is an anti-semite as well.
This POS is running for President in 2008? Is he smoking crack?
No kidding.
You've been a conservative since you were in the 6th grade?
Sounds as if you're still in the 6th grade.
You wouldn't be dissing the Nam vets that way if you sitting on a bar stool next to me right now.
BTW, what era did you serve in, hero?
See my posts 22 and 25 for who I was thinking of.
Don't make me laugh. I think he's worse than McCain, if that's possible.
bttt
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