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Half of America believes it: The enduring faith in "Saddam's WMDs" [Barf Alert]
The Seattle Times ^ | 8/7/06 | Charles J. Hanley

Posted on 08/07/2006 10:23:57 AM PDT by XR7

Did Saddam Hussein's government have weapons of mass destruction in 2003?

Half of America apparently still thinks so, a new poll finds, and experts see a raft of reasons why: a drumbeat of voices from talk radio to die-hard bloggers to the Oval Office...

The reality in this case is that after a 16-month, $900-million-plus investigation, the U.S. weapons hunters known as the Iraq Survey Group declared that Iraq had dismantled its chemical, biological and nuclear arms programs in 1991 under U.N. oversight...

Despite this, a Harris Poll released July 21 found that a full 50 percent of U.S. respondents — up from 36 percent last year — said they believe Iraq did have the forbidden arms when U.S. troops invaded in March 2003, an attack whose stated purpose was elimination of supposed WMD...

"I'm flabbergasted," said Michael Massing, a media critic whose writings dissected the largely unquestioning U.S. news reporting on the Bush administration's shaky WMD claims in 2002-03.

...As recently as May 27, Bush told West Point graduates, "When the United Nations Security Council gave him one final chance to disclose and disarm, or face serious consequences, he refused to take that final opportunity."

"Which isn't true," observed Kathleen Hall Jamieson, a scholar of presidential rhetoric at the University of Pennsylvania...

"For some it almost becomes independent of reality and becomes very partisan." The WMD believers are heavily Republican, polls show.

...The creative "morphing" goes on.

As Israeli troops and Hezbollah guerrillas battled in Lebanon on July 21, a Fox News segment suggested, with no evidence, yet another destination for the supposed doomsday arms.

"ARE SADDAM HUSSEIN'S WMDS NOW IN HEZBOLLAH'S HANDS?" asked the headline, lingering for long minutes on TV screens in a million American homes.

(Excerpt) Read more at seattletimes.nwsource.com ...


TOPICS: War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iraq; pollsoniraq; saddam; wmd
"These are not stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction," said Scott Ritter...

The expert reassures us.

1 posted on 08/07/2006 10:23:59 AM PDT by XR7
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To: XR7

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1679286/posts


2 posted on 08/07/2006 10:25:16 AM PDT by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: XR7

of cxourse those 500 ior so chemical weapons found in IRaq don't qualify now do they?


3 posted on 08/07/2006 10:25:30 AM PDT by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you)
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To: XR7
Hanley or The Seattle Times eliminated a passage from the original article that said this:

People tend to become "independent of reality" in these circumstances, says opinion analyst Steven Kull.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/nat-gen/2006/aug/06/080602877.html

4 posted on 08/07/2006 10:30:59 AM PDT by new yorker 77 (FAKE POLLS DO NOT TRANSLATE INTO REAL VOTERS!)
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First of all, William Jefferson Clinton stated unequivocally that Saddam had WMD, and even mentioned numbers and types. I believe him.

As for Ritter, his tune changed quite a bit after his second child molestation bust (agreeing to meet a 13 yo for sex behind some fast food restaurant iirc, after meeting her online).

Hmm, he is still free and not listed with Megan's law; his WMD statements changed right around that time. Prior to that, if I'm not mistaken, he was gung-ho for peering into every nook and cranny of Iraq to find them.


5 posted on 08/07/2006 10:32:35 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: XR7
Funny how when a poll shows half of the country believes in a leftist priority (such as global warming) then the MSM use those polls to declare it must be true.
6 posted on 08/07/2006 10:33:38 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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To: new yorker 77
Hanley or The Seattle Times eliminated a passage from the original article...

They didn't eliminate it.
I edited it out to meet FR's posting policy which limits the number of words posted from an excerpt.

7 posted on 08/07/2006 10:34:16 AM PDT by XR7
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It's not just civilians in America who believe Iraq has/had WMD but also those charged with finding them:

Last month Moshe Yaalon, who was Israel's top general at the time, said Iraq transported WMD to Syria six weeks before Operation Iraqi Freedom began.

Last March, John A. Shaw, a former U.S. deputy undersecretary of defense for international technology security, said Russian Spetsnaz units moved WMD to Syria and Lebanon's Bekaa Valley.

"While in Iraq I received information from several sources naming the exact Russian units, what they took and where they took both WMD materials and conventional explosives," Mr. Shaw told NewsMax reporter Charles Smith.

Retired Marine Lt. Gen. Michael DeLong was deputy commander of Central Command during Operation Iraqi Freedom. In September 2004, he told WABC radio that "I do know for a fact that some of those weapons went into Syria, Lebanon and Iran."

In January 2004, David Kay, the first head of the Iraq Survey Group which conducted the search for Saddam's WMD, told a British newspaper there was evidence unspecified materials had been moved to Syria from Iraq shortly before the war.

"We know from some of the interrogations of former Iraqi officials that a lot of material went to Syria before the war, including some components of Saddam's WMD program," Mr. Kay told the Sunday Telegraph.

Also that month, Nizar Nayuf, a Syrian journalist who defected to an undisclosed European country, told a Dutch newspaper he knew of three sites where Iraq's WMD was being kept. They were the town of al Baida near the city of Hama in northern Syria; the Syrian air force base near the village of Tal Snan, and the city of Sjinsar on the border with Lebanon.

In an addendum to his final report last April, Charles Duelfer, who succeeded David Kay as head of the Iraq Survey Group, said he couldn't rule out a transfer of WMD from Iraq to Syria.

"There was evidence of a discussion of possible WMD collaboration initiated by a Syrian security officer, and ISG received information about movement of material out of Iraq, including the possibility that WMD was involved. In the judgment of the working group, these reports were sufficiently credible to merit further investigation," Mr. Duelfer said.

In a briefing for reporters in October 2003, retired Air Force Lt. Gen. James Clapper Jr., who was head of the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency when the Iraq war began, said satellite imagery showed a heavy flow of traffic from Iraq into Syria just before the American invasion.

"I think the people below Saddam Hussein and his sons' level saw what was coming and decided the best thing to do was to destroy and disperse," Lt. Gen. Clapper said.


8 posted on 08/07/2006 10:35:12 AM PDT by Peach (Prayers for Israel and all who love her.)
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To: DBrow
First of all, William Jefferson Clinton stated unequivocally that Saddam had WMD...

So did John Kerry.

9 posted on 08/07/2006 10:35:15 AM PDT by XR7
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Hey Scott, didn't you tell Sen. McCain in September of 1998 that Iraq had three Nuclear Weapons assemblies and only lacked the fissile material to make them hot?

"These are not hot 14 year old girls" - Scott Ritter


10 posted on 08/07/2006 10:37:17 AM PDT by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: XR7

OK.

Next time use a "..." to show a gap in the article posted.


11 posted on 08/07/2006 10:37:49 AM PDT by new yorker 77 (FAKE POLLS DO NOT TRANSLATE INTO REAL VOTERS!)
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To: new yorker 77
OK. Next time use a "..." to show a gap in the article posted.

I did.
Put your glasses on - or get a bigger monitor.

12 posted on 08/07/2006 10:40:39 AM PDT by XR7
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"So did John Kerry."

And Hillary Clinton, Reid, Pelosi, Kennedy, Sandy Berger, Gore, Edwards, etc.

Didn't Kerry fight in Viet Nam?


13 posted on 08/07/2006 10:46:40 AM PDT by hophead ("Enjoy Every Sandwich")
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"ARE SADDAM HUSSEIN'S WMDS NOW IN HEZBOLLAH'S HANDS?"

The Bekka valley 'rumors' aren't anything new. Debka was reporting on the WMD movement in realtime in the final few weeks leadup to the war.

They were supported by sattelite photos Powell showed at the UN "but couldn't prove what they were moving", we have official translated documents speaking of movement, we have several ex-high ranking Iraqi officials detailing the movement, and we know for a FACT they were there in the 90s becuase he used them, and every single Intel agency in the world knew it.

Yet somehow the BIZZARE thing is that 50% still think he had them.

talk about BIZZARE-O world.


14 posted on 08/07/2006 10:47:11 AM PDT by FreedomNeocon (Success is not final; Failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts -- Churchill)
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"I'm flabbergasted," said Michael Massing.
That's why you write for The Nation and the New York Times.


15 posted on 08/07/2006 11:18:45 AM PDT by tumblindice (The Associated Pimps. Is there anything they don't know?)
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Only HALF believe it?? THAT is the real story. Another real story would be that more than half of all Americans believe we are in a recession and that things are getting worse. Talk about your propaganda victories!


16 posted on 08/07/2006 11:22:01 AM PDT by bpjam (Remember our fallen Marines in Beirut. Hezbollah deserves no peace.)
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Contrary to ongoing reports by mainstream media outlets, WMDs have been found in Iraq, so reports New York Times best-selling author Richard Miniter in his new book, Disinformation.

Consider these facts:

• Found: 1.77 metric tons of enriched uranium

• Found: 1,500 gallons of chemical weapons

• Found: Roadside bomb loaded with sarin gas

• Found: 1,000 radioactive materials--ideal for radioactive dirty bombs

• Found: 17 chemical warheads--some containing cyclosarin, a nerve agent five times more powerful than sarin


17 posted on 08/07/2006 11:43:11 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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I guess those people must have been listening to Democrats who said Iraq had WMD.


18 posted on 08/07/2006 11:54:45 AM PDT by Retired Chemist
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Child molester and satanist scott ritter!

LLS


19 posted on 08/07/2006 12:25:53 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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All the war critics who claim that these wmds are not dangerous should of course be willing to be put in a room and have them released in their presence. These clowns are backpedaling furiously. They try to discredit people who say that Hussein had wmds, AND THEN THEY TALK ABOUT THE RECENT WMD DISCOVERIES AS BEING ILLEGITIMATE!!! Hey geniuses, you just said in your first statement there were no wmds!!! Their "logic" is stunning: "there were no wmds, but of course these are wmds, however since they're slightly older than Hussein's recent wmds, they're not dangerous at all." I say let's put these idiots to the test.


20 posted on 08/07/2006 2:07:11 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: camle
"don't qualify"

We're not dealing with rational people here. These morons were screaming for three years that SADDAM HAD NO WMDS!!! Well now we've shown that he had them by hundreds or thousands. Which the critics have not disputed. AND THEY STILL KEEP CLAIMING HUSSEIN HAD NO WMDS!!!! I'm left speechless.

21 posted on 08/07/2006 2:11:17 PM PDT by driftless2
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Ha Ha HA HA HA. In spite of their best efforts a majority believe he had the WMD. And going up! I'm sure they think we're too stupid to vote.


22 posted on 08/07/2006 2:15:54 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Clam down and try to enjoy the rest of your day.)
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