[tophat9000]

a staunch Darwinist, and a prominent critic of Intelligent Design.

"the majesty and beauty of God's creation overwhelmed my resistance

Man this has to be the most logically inconsistent position Ive ever seen if he believes the first the second can not be true ... even if he believes God program things to evolve to the majesty and beauty that he attributes to God that is Intelligent Design....

To be a staunch Darwinist, and a prominent critic of Intelligent Design then accept your own premise that unintelligent unthinking inert utilitarian forces acting on life, shaped things..you either attribute what you see to some intelligent direction or you don't

[Blueflag]

tophat -- read his book. He takes issue with Intelligent Design (the movement and some of its thinking.) He has no issue with (and affirms) the Creator as an intelligent designer. When you read the book, as opposed to a review, you can see that he presents of valid argument. He mainly attacks the Intelligent Design movement from a "God of the Gaps" standpoint.

You would be premature to label Collins argument as illogical.

[Stultis]

Man this has to be the most logically inconsistent position Ive ever seen

At the very worst it's only the flip side of the inconsistency of Intelligent Design when examined theologically: i.e. only attributing as acts of design those that were apparently accomplished outside of the natural order. That's a bit like playing at a game of sport and only being credited with scores when you cheat.