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ICE, ICE Baby [Orange County wants to arrest illegals]
National Review.com ^ | August 7, 2006 | by Heather Mac Donald

Posted on 08/07/2006 2:59:35 PM PDT by aculeus

President Bush claims he’s serious about immigration enforcement. Here’s one way he could show it. The Orange County, Ca., sheriff has asked the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency to train and deputize his detectives in immigration law and to authorize them to enforce it. That way, when a sheriff’s detective comes across an illegal-alien gang suspect, he can get him off the street immediately on an immigration charge. ICE has sat on Sheriff Michael Corona’s request (which conforms to a 1996 federal law) for ten months. If President Bush wants to demonstrate that he is willing to protect the country against illegal-alien criminals, he should order ICE to approve Orange County’s request without further delay.

The Orange County illegal-felon initiative is potentially revolutionary. Congress acknowledged the need to bring local police officers into immigration enforcement ten years ago, when it passed section 287(g) of the Immigration and Nationality Act. That section addresses the mismatch between the size of the illegal-alien population — currently estimated at around 12 million — and the number of federal immigration officers assigned to apprehending those illegals — about 2000 agents. As the Heritage Foundation’s James Jay Carafano observes, the Department of Homeland Security cannot even deport all the criminal aliens released from prisons, much less find them in the first place.

In the hope of rectifying that imbalance, Section 287(g) allows cops on the beat to be trained as immigration agents, so that they can investigate, arrest, and take custody of illegal aliens with the same authority as a federal agent. It wasn’t until after 9/11, however, that any local police agency requested training under 287(g). The stigma against immigration law enforcement was too great; no local force wanted to risk the wrath of illegal alien advocates.

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TOPICS: Extended News
KEYWORDS: aliens; cops; ice; illegalaliens; illegalimmigrants; immigration; incompetents; mexico; orangecounty; theoc

1 posted on 08/07/2006 2:59:35 PM PDT by aculeus
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To: aculeus
Of course, your joking, right?

The current Administration is not going to do this. We know where the money flows already and that most of the recent pro-border enforcement anti-illegal alien talk out of 1600 Pennsylvania is both an insincere election year charade and six years' TOO LATE!

2 posted on 08/07/2006 3:01:18 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (A few clever bones tossed on gay unions, flag burning & Iraq still don't absolve GWB over BORDERS)
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To: aculeus
President Bush claims he’s serious about immigration enforcement...
The punch line at the beginning of the joke.
3 posted on 08/07/2006 3:01:46 PM PDT by peyton randolph (No man knows the day nor the hour of The Coming of The Great White Handkerchief.)
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To: aculeus

When I read this headline I thought it was about Orange County Florida ,, we have a big stink going on here where a Guatemalan illegal who has been arrested 9 times and was driving on a suspended/revoked license ran over and killed a motorcycle cop... Our Sheriff Bearry has pretty much said he won't put up with this any longer no matter what the Feds say..


4 posted on 08/07/2006 3:03:48 PM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: aculeus

Recepción a los Estados Unidos de México Norteño


5 posted on 08/07/2006 3:15:16 PM PDT by DigitalVideoDude (It's amazing what you can accomplish when you don't care who gets the credit. -Ronald Reagan)
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To: aculeus
The Orange County illegal-felon initiative is potentially revolutionary.

Revolutionary is what it's going to take to shake the inertia out of the Washington bureaucracy. We are witnessing a federal government which considers personal political power to be the highest priority, and even that would be tolerable if they would actually address important issues once elected ... such as out of control illegal immigration, out of control spending, impending bankruptcy of social security, and the time bomb of energy policy. But instead they do nothing but aspire to reelection for reelection's sake. The states must reassert their prominence in this this representative republic, and illegal immigration is a perfect opportunity to challenge the arrogance of this out of control federal conglobumess. That's right ... conglobumess ... a new word describing congress, corruption, inertia, incompetence, shortsightedness, greed, arrogance, egomania, and cowardess. The problems of this country will be solved by the states, not the conglobumess.

6 posted on 08/07/2006 3:32:26 PM PDT by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: aculeus
Why don't these local and state police agencies read the constitution, the only entity that has the power to determine who is an illegal are the states! The constitution gives the states the right to determine who is a citizen and legal resident, and they have the right to deport them if they don't meet the criteria of the state, the federal government is specifically denied this right.

How the He** did they gain control and authority over illegals? Take back our state rights, start prosecruting these law breaking parasites.

7 posted on 08/07/2006 3:43:15 PM PDT by calex59 (The '86 amnesty put us in the toilet, now the senate wants to flush it!)
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To: aculeus
"Despite the patent need for such additional law-enforcement authority, Sheriff Corona’s plan is narrowly circumscribed and has even been cut back from its original conception. Gang detectives would use their immigration authority only against illegal aliens suspected or already convicted of serious felonies, or who have reentered the country following deportation, or who are involved in gang activity.

Illegal aliens who “only” engage in felonies punishable by under five years in jail would be treated like citizens and subjected only to the criminal law, not to immigration enforcement.

“Law-abiding” illegal aliens would be equally outside the scope of the deputies’ authority. “We’d be running a shuttle service to the jail” if the county set the threshold on immigration inquiries too low, says sheriff spokesman Jon Fleischman.

The generic illegal alien problem is “too prolific, we don’t have time to deal with it.”

So, I am going to assume that the Sheriff's Officers will turn a blind eye to other (I will assume) crimes which fall in the "under five years" criteria, such as breaking and entering, drug possession, car theft, certain assaults, etc., --hell, that should cover just about everything, excluding rape and murder.

And, so, the generic illegal alien problem is "too prolific" to have time (or interest) to "deal with?"

Ah, the wisdom and benefits of "selective enforcement."

How does one renounce their citizenship and become an illegal alien? Inquiring minds want to know!!!!

8 posted on 08/07/2006 3:52:01 PM PDT by seasoned traditionalist (ALL MUSLIMS ARE NOT TERRORISTS, BUT ALL TERRORISTS WHO WANT TO DESTROY OUR COUNTRY, ARE MUSLIMS)
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To: aculeus

BTTT


9 posted on 08/07/2006 4:02:05 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: aculeus

I voted for Mr. Bush twice. I still support him on most things but on immigration he is just plain wrong.

Round up all the illegals and send them ALL home. Let them come in a legal and orderly manner.


10 posted on 08/07/2006 4:10:29 PM PDT by Joe Boucher (an enemy of islam)
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To: aculeus
We need to do things that will reduce the incentive for these people to come here. Until we succeed in those measures, this change would be a good start.

Bill

11 posted on 08/07/2006 5:19:53 PM PDT by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: aculeus
The stigma against immigration law enforcement was too great; no local force wanted to risk the wrath of illegal alien advocates.

Well, if the wrath of the "advocates" is too much, shoot them.

The time is here where the illegals shoot you, fools...shoot back and shoot the"advocates" too if they get too "wrathful". Enough of this BS.

On a sidenote...Hey Mr. President. I've lost much respect for you. When are you going to live up to your vows as CiC and honor the Constitution you swore to uphold?

FMCDH(BITS)

12 posted on 08/07/2006 6:42:50 PM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: Neidermeyer

http://www.local6.com/news/9633588/detail.html


14 posted on 08/07/2006 7:31:02 PM PDT by dennisw (Confucius say man who go through turnstile sideways going to Bangkok)
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To: seasoned traditionalist
"How does one renounce their citizenship............"

You'd be amazed at how hard that actually is. First you have to gain citizenship in another country....or else you'd be "a man without a country". Then you could go to the nearest US embassy off shore and turn in your passport and visa and renounce your citizenship. Clintoon actually changed the law....and now IRS can attach your wages / savings if they feel you are renouncing your citizenship in order NOT to pay Uncle Sham. I believe the threshold is something like 500,000 of cash / assets. Anything over that and you'll get whacked. Seems like a bunch of citizens weren't too happy at how their tax money was being squandered in the 90's so they bailed......more and more rich folks saw what a sham our tax system was so Clintoon all but put a stop to this.
15 posted on 08/07/2006 7:51:51 PM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: Joe Boucher
I voted for Mr. Bush twice. I still support him on most things but on immigration he is just plain wrong.

Bush received a windfall from my votes against Weird Al Gore and Hanoi Jane Kerry.

16 posted on 08/07/2006 9:23:53 PM PDT by MrEdd (More cheep than a flock of baby chickens.)
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To: aculeus

Some good commentary on the article from a blogger:


Bush Administration Stalls Local Immigration Law Enforcement
Heather Mac Donald says the Bush Administration refuses to grant Orange County California sheriff's deputies the right to enforce immigration law.

President Bush claims he’s serious about immigration enforcement. Here’s one way he could show it. The Orange County, Ca., sheriff has asked the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency to train and deputize his detectives in immigration law and to authorize them to enforce it. That way, when a sheriff’s detective comes across an illegal-alien gang suspect, he can get him off the street immediately on an immigration charge. ICE has sat on Sheriff Michael Corona’s request (which conforms to a 1996 federal law) for ten months. If President Bush wants to demonstrate that he is willing to protect the country against illegal-alien criminals, he should order ICE to approve Orange County’s request without further delay.

But President Bush does not want to protect the country against illegal alien criminals as much as he wants to flood the country with tens of millions more illegal aliens.

Orange County spends $18 million holding illegals who already are wanted for immigration law violations. That's just one county in one state.

Orange County, Ca., spends nearly $18 million a year incarcerating just those illegal aliens who already have immigration holds on them — over ten percent of its jail population; that number leaves out the many other illegal-alien criminals who have escaped ICE detection entirely.

In contrast to most of the existing local immigration agreements, the Orange County plan tries to nab illegal-alien criminals before they end up in jail. Unlike state highway troopers, sheriff’s detectives work in the most crime-prone, often immigrant-heavy, neighborhoods every day; they actively seek out criminals rather than waiting for a law-breaker to come to them. In these gang-saturated neighborhoods, illegal-alien criminals prey on law-abiding immigrants; their law-abiding victims are usually reluctant to provide evidence against them. The only tool that a law-enforcement officer may have for getting an illegal gang-banger off the street is his immigration status; trying to build a case for armed robbery, say, may be futile. Moreover, if an investigator has only enough evidence to detain someone briefly for questioning about a crime, but not yet probable cause to arrest him, a quick check of the immigration database may provide grounds to arrest him rather than let him get away.

We should not have to live with the consequences of Hispanic gangs in our neighborhoods. We should not have to live in a decaying society. We should not have to be governed by lying elites that work to harm our interests.

Due to objections from illegal immigrant advocacy organizations and the Bush Administration illegal immigrant appeasers Orange County has had to water down their proposal.

Orange County’s original proposal would have given sheriffs deputies on routine patrol access to the ICE immigration-crime databases — not just detectives. ICE and immigrant advocates rejected this reasonable idea and also sharply reduced the number of detectives who would be given clearance to check immigration databases.

The Bushies pretend they want to enforce immigration laws. But the Bushies reject any proposal that would be effective. You can't trust them.


17 posted on 08/09/2006 8:09:38 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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