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Guard member dies during training on Arizona-Mexico border
The Arizona Daily Star (Tucson) ^ | 08.11.2006 | AP

Posted on 08/11/2006 12:44:21 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles

Guard member dies during training on Arizona-Mexico border The Associated Press Tucson, Arizona | Published: 08.11.2006 advertisement A Pennsylvania National Guard soldier died Thursday after she collapsed in 100-plus degree heat during a training mission on the Arizona-Mexico border near Yuma. A guard spokesman says Spc. Kirsten Fike was two hours into the first day of a border surveillance mission on Wednesday when she collapsed.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico
KEYWORDS: aliens; immigrantlist; nationalguard; operationjumpstart; quagmire
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1 posted on 08/11/2006 12:44:22 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles
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To: axes_of_weezles

Two hours?


2 posted on 08/11/2006 12:46:28 PM PDT by MPJackal ("If you are not with us, you are against us.")
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To: axes_of_weezles

That must be something coming from Pennsylvania to this part of the world in summer. That is sad.


3 posted on 08/11/2006 12:47:20 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: axes_of_weezles

Some NCO is in big trouble.


4 posted on 08/11/2006 12:47:20 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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The lower physical standards required of woman soldiers make this sort of unfortunate incident more likely to continue to happen.


5 posted on 08/11/2006 12:54:38 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: antiRepublicrat

My last CSM had a saying. "If a soldier dies during a battle, the enemy is directly responsible. If a soldier dies ANY OTHER TIME, their NCO is directly responsible."


6 posted on 08/11/2006 12:56:23 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: taxcontrol

See this:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1682011/posts

They are being billeted in resorts.


7 posted on 08/11/2006 12:59:24 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles
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To: axes_of_weezles

Bit by a Yellow Spotted Lizard?


8 posted on 08/11/2006 1:06:25 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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That must be something coming from Pennsylvania to this part of the world in summer.

Actually, it often feels much worse in eastern PA. The temperatures range from 90-100 in the summer, but the humidity is MUCH HIGHER, making it feel much more oppressive. I travel out to the border region Arizona/Texas/New Mexico a couple of times a year during the summer, and it is quite a relief to get away from this humidity here in PA. BUT we Easterners do not tend to drink nearly enough water, as I found out the hard way my first full day in the desert; in the desert you feel cooler because you are sweating effectively, but you need to drink MUCH MORE water or you will get in serious trouble quickly from dehydration...

9 posted on 08/11/2006 1:08:18 PM PDT by LambSlave (If you have to ask permission it's not a right...)
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To: colorado tanker

Heat stroke, probably.


10 posted on 08/11/2006 1:11:39 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles
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"They are being billeted in resorts."

Not here in Yuma. They are billeted in our old barracks on the Air Staion.


11 posted on 08/11/2006 1:21:56 PM PDT by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: LambSlave

During the last heat wave, I kept thinking of the Revolutionary War Battle of Monmouth (NJ) - was at the end of June, temperature estimated to be 102 degrees, and humid...

Soldiers simply dropped dead from the heat left and right - of course, the wool uniforms didn't help.


12 posted on 08/11/2006 1:22:37 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: LambSlave
but the humidity is MUCH HIGHER, making it feel much more oppressive.

I know what you mean. I don't mind jogging here when it is above 100 because the relative humidity is so low. I don't even appear to be sweating because the dry air takes care of that and cools me off in the process. If I run with the temperature in the nineties...it sucks. Seeing the sweat makes me want to drink more water...and I have to remind myself to do the same when I can't see much sweat.
13 posted on 08/11/2006 1:29:17 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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Hi All-

It sounded like she needed a CamelBak hydration system packed solidly with ice. I find that I can keep a cold supply (three liters) of water for nearly four hours if I prepare properly. My preference is for the CamelBak M.U.L.E. model for all the pockets, compression straps, and lashing points.

~ Blue Jays ~

14 posted on 08/11/2006 1:35:08 PM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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Some NCO is in big trouble.

Not enough information to tell, actually.

15 posted on 08/11/2006 1:41:26 PM PDT by MrEdd (More cheep than a flock of baby chickens.)
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To: Jack Black

Screw You


16 posted on 08/11/2006 1:49:43 PM PDT by usflagwaver
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To: axes_of_weezles

Prayers and thanks for your service, Spc. Kirsten Fike.


17 posted on 08/11/2006 1:50:58 PM PDT by kristinn
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To: P-40

It was that hot in PA last week.


18 posted on 08/11/2006 1:54:12 PM PDT by FreeInWV
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Hi All-

That response to Jack Black seems a bit harsh as he was just raising a point of discussion. Generally speaking, men can withstand greater physical stresses for sustained periods of time. I don't believe he intended any insult by his commentary.

~ Blue Jays ~

19 posted on 08/11/2006 2:07:13 PM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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I didn't mean offense to anyone. It is a fact that some of the pysical training standards are lower for women. That exacerbates the strength / endurance difference that exist in humans. That combination may likely mean that more woman die in accidents like this.

It is one of the costs of having the fully gender integrated fighting force that our current political climate dictates.

I am not saying that this is a bad tradeoff, just that it is a tradeoff.

Hopefully usflagwaver is not one of those "there are no important differences between men and women" hyper-feminists. I don't expect too many like that here on FR.

Whatever he/she is mad about it would mean something if the comment were explained.

20 posted on 08/11/2006 3:11:47 PM PDT by Jack Black
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