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Join a network of citizens who are saying Abolish the IRS and Give Us A Fair Tax
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Posted on 08/12/2006 5:59:58 AM PDT by Man50D

About the Petition: It contains more than 55,000 pages … It is so complex that even those who wrote it don’t fully understand it. The “it” is the federal tax code, and more and more Americans are demanding that the time has come to abolish the IRS in favor of a “Fair Tax” system.


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To: Principled

Or get a copy of MicroSoft FrontPage ;O)


101 posted on 08/12/2006 11:34:42 AM PDT by ancient_geezer (Don't reform it, Replace it.)
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To: Principled; Man50D

Mojave might be a commie pinko liberal progressive troll. NO ONE else would deliberately confuse reimbursements of your own money with wealth transfers of SOMONE ELSE's money -- and keeping hammering on it without even ONCE considering the sincerity of those of use who see the difference. To a liberal ALL money belongs to the government first, foremost and always. It might be time to stop answering him (her? it?).


102 posted on 08/12/2006 11:41:10 AM PDT by FreeKeys ("The Democrats see IRS employees not as public servants but as martyrs." -- Mike Adams)
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To: FreeKeys

Stop if you like. I will not allow him to lie unchallenged. I'll always be there to challenge him :0)


103 posted on 08/12/2006 11:56:14 AM PDT by Principled
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To: Principled


Try this: http://snipurl.com/uu89


104 posted on 08/12/2006 11:56:55 AM PDT by FreeKeys (The INCOME tax hurts those still TRYING to get rich, NOT the ALREADY-RICH.)
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To: ancient_geezer
I would much rather see rebate of taxes based in household size capped by povertylevel

It's not a rebate. The monthly dole is provided to a recipient regardless of how little taxes that beneficiary pays, if any at all.

You know this but lack the integrity to admit it. You're behavior is no better than any other tax protester.

105 posted on 08/12/2006 11:57:08 AM PDT by Mojave
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To: FreeKeys

he he I should've said, "I need me some time for learnin' HTML"!


106 posted on 08/12/2006 11:58:34 AM PDT by Principled
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To: FreeKeys
NO ONE else would deliberately confuse reimbursements of your own money

NRST cultists do it constantly and you just did it yourself. The monthly pay out bears no relationship to the taxes actually paid by the recipient, if any at all.

107 posted on 08/12/2006 12:00:17 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: Mojave
You apparently are insufficiently intelligent to read the posts containing data that show there the number of people in the category you clamour about is negligible. I'm not even sure you can find anyone in the data that meets your criteria.

Looking foolish, mojave. Look at the data.

108 posted on 08/12/2006 12:00:38 PM PDT by Principled
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To: Mojave
The monthly pay out bears no relationship to the taxes actually paid by the recipient, if any at all.

OY!

It doesn't need to! Nearly everyone spends to the poverty level. Look at the data. Does data scare you? Do you know what data is?

109 posted on 08/12/2006 12:02:03 PM PDT by Principled
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To: Principled
the number of people in the category you clamour about is negligible.

Your lie is "negligible"?

Paging Bill Clinton.

110 posted on 08/12/2006 12:02:12 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: Mojave
Find someone who spends below the poverty level. Go ahead.

We'll all be waiting.

LOL!!!!!

Link.

111 posted on 08/12/2006 12:04:09 PM PDT by Principled
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To: Man50D
America is become more socialist not less..
Odds of this happening ZERO...

Even many republicans are socialists.. However a value added tax scheme masked by "something else" might be possible..

112 posted on 08/12/2006 12:05:29 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole.)
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To: Principled
Find someone who spends below the poverty level.

Don't lie. NRST taxation doesn't reach to all spending.

113 posted on 08/12/2006 12:06:43 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: hosepipe
I'll tell you what would really be bad - if today we had implemented the 2nd plank of the communist manifesto - a progressive income tax! Now that would be bad.

oh... wait. We already have that!

114 posted on 08/12/2006 12:07:36 PM PDT by Principled
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To: tiger-one

I see 3 possible reasons for your comment:

1] You are just making that up as a joke.

2] You are just flat out ignorant of the facts.

3] You are flat out lying to protect some little niche that the present tax code offers you.

Which is it?


115 posted on 08/12/2006 12:09:02 PM PDT by Badray (CFR my ass. There's not too much money in politics. There's too much money in government hands.)
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To: Mojave
NRST taxation doesn't reach to all spending.

It's not clear what you're babbling about in your backpedal, but if you mean not everything is taxed, you're right.

The only taxed things are new (never taxed before) goods sold for retail consumption and services exempting education (tuition).

Beyond that, necessity level spending is exempt via a rebate. That is, only discretionary spending is taxed.

116 posted on 08/12/2006 12:10:02 PM PDT by Principled
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To: calex59

But he/she has repeated his/her argument 3 times now. Doesn't that make it valid? LOL


117 posted on 08/12/2006 12:12:52 PM PDT by Badray (CFR my ass. There's not too much money in politics. There's too much money in government hands.)
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To: FBD
The person making 10 K will just have to buy a rubber raft from Walmart.

Or just buy rubbers. Cuz kids are expensive.

118 posted on 08/12/2006 12:13:35 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (We gotta watch out for the Hellbazoo and the Hamas...)
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To: jmksbv
Realistically, the 'Flat' tax and a 'Fair' tax accomplish the same thing -- everyone is taxed at the same rate. It's a matter of the timeframe as to when the tax is collected.

Economically speaking, they are both consumption taxes. But the differences are plenty. The flat tax retains withholding, which I see as evil and a tool for growth of government.

The other pernicious detail of the flat tax is that it taxes business - which is actually a hidden tax on individual consumers, individual workers, or individual investors.

ie it's just another way for the gov't to hide the true cost of government.

jmho

119 posted on 08/12/2006 12:14:41 PM PDT by Principled
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To: jmksbv
Realistically, the 'Flat' tax and a 'Fair' tax accomplish the same thing -- everyone is taxed at the same rate. It's a matter of the timeframe as to when the tax is collected.

I agree but there is a HUGE reason to choose the NRST over the flat income tax in this, the most free country on earth. With the flat income tax you still have the gestapo...err...I mean the IRS and with the NRST you don't.

120 posted on 08/12/2006 12:19:35 PM PDT by Bigun (IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
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