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To: Popocatapetl
Are you really arguing that these folks would "starve" if they didn't have "free" cheese from Uncle Sam? C'mon. That kind of guilt tripping has no basis in fact.

Moreover, you're starting premise is flawed. You can indeed "eat" pride and more importantly build on it. This is the story of America. A hundred years ago, there were far more poor people than today but less than one percent received any government aid. The poor things didn't starve as a result. They were resourceful (they had to be!) and built a vast system of mutual aid. It is one of the great achievements in American history.

More importantly, this pride gave them the motivation to move up the ladder and ensure that their children also progressed. If you destroy that pride by "encoraging" folks to suck the public tit (even in a small way), you will do far more farm than any benefit provided. You're point about ending waste is also beside the point. The best solution to that problem is to end farm subsidies. Such a reform would do far more to help the poor (via lower prices on food) than you're policy of chipping away yet more at their pride and resoucefulness.

8 posted on 08/14/2006 1:03:05 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk

There is a myth that people in the US are economically homogenous. Even looking at those that receive food stamps as a few groups, rather than a single generic group, you start to see the problems inherent in "cutting them off for their own good".

1) First and (hopefully) one only timers. There are people who are in need for just a few months. Truly "between jobs", they will be buying their own food in short order. However, a problem arises for many if they get laid off a *second* time, as many States prohibit getting food stamps "twice". These are often young couples with children just starting out.

2) Disabled and/or undergoing medical care. This is a real dilemma for a family with a single breadwinner. Often middle class, injury or illness can impact for months or years. How do you feed your family if you can't work? They may also be facing many future years incomes to pay off enormous medical bills.

3) Too old. With his double-digit inflation Jimmy Carter impoverished hundreds of thousands of people who thought they were on track to have a nest-egg for their retirement. There are only so many "greeters" jobs to be had at Wal-Mart. Add to them those who have lost (had stolen) their retirement through corporate mismanagement, those hit with catastrophic illness, and the huge number who had been wage employees, now trying to live on only a Social Security check. Many regularly choose between food and medicine.

4) Regional downturn. When several major employers fire tens of thousands of employees at once, it can have a domino effect in an area, which means a large percentage of people will have to relocate for employment. Many who stay and many who go will be reduced to working minimum-wage jobs that barely pay their rent. They are SOL until the regional economy improves. Perhaps a year or two. These can be well paid blue or white collar people.

5) Military junior enlisted personnel families. Though wartime bonuses have improved this considerably, many military personnel have long been food stamp receipients, easily qualifying as "below poverty level."

6) Longtime unemployed. Uneducated. Unhireable. Too dumb, unmotivated, felony criminal record, drug & alcohol addiction. Basically rock bottom, and they aren't climbing out. Yes, while the others might be sympathetic, these aren't. But they are part of the group.


13 posted on 08/14/2006 2:14:21 PM PDT by Popocatapetl
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