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To: jla
Evolutionists are too emotionally committed to face up to the failure of evidence to support their faith,

The entire creationist belief system is predicated upon the notion that almost every scientist consciously puts aside the evidence to profess something they know is not true.

Such a notion simply does not make logical sense. You can't find that level of unanimity among the oppressed victims of communism, whose very lives are on the line. And yet the scientists are supposed to be even more strongly motivated by a mere emotional investment? Please.

No Christian congregation manages that level of commitment either, I might add.

News flash for Mrs. Schlafly: the scientists overwhelmingly have considered the evidence more deeply than you ever possibly could have, and more honestly besides, and almost to a person have reached a conclusion that is the opposite of yours.

8 posted on 08/15/2006 10:31:32 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: Physicist

Exactly. Proponents of ID say they just want to "open a dialogue" and give "alternating viewpoints a chance". It's not creationism, they say!

Well, why do about ALL of the "broad-minded" IDers act in some sort of concert with political evangelicals? Every one of them has some sort of link to religious organizations. ID, carried to its logical end, IS creationism.

So then, is it true that the only reason the vast majority of scientists who believe ID is a sham....just what, reject God? are all acting in consort to enslave our children in a godless, Satanist plot? Get together at Darwin's grave every Halloween and chant incantations?

I don't think so.


13 posted on 08/15/2006 10:52:09 PM PDT by RippyO
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To: Physicist; jla

I am a professional scientist actually working as a scientist. The vast majority of scientists that I work with acknowledge the shortcomings of evolution as a theory and recognize that it is time to sack the theory as it has been pushed and in effect evolve to a new theory. Those of us who were trained with the "Central Dogma.., Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny...gradualism... precepts etc." have already acknowledged that the facts do not support darwinian evolutionary theory, grown up and moved on. If you are referring to poorly educated public school teachers in general than you may have a point to be made.


14 posted on 08/15/2006 10:58:06 PM PDT by ProfScience
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To: Physicist

News flash for Mrs. Schlafly: the scientists overwhelmingly have considered the evidence more deeply than you ever possibly could have, and more honestly besides, and almost to a person have reached a conclusion that is the opposite of yours.


This is very true, but not the point. The problem is that the theory of evolution DOES have quite a lot of holes in it. That doesn't neccesarily invalidate the theory (it may just mean more thought and research needs to be done) but it is worrying that people are being taught as fact that which is still theory. Evolutionary theory does change as more research is done, and what was being taught as fact a few years ago is not considered accurate now.

If this school board is merely asking for a more critical assessment of this issue, that's surely a good thing. We need scientists who think rather than parrot repeat.


32 posted on 08/16/2006 2:49:39 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Physicist
The entire creationist belief system is predicated upon the notion that almost every scientist consciously puts aside the evidence to profess something they know is not true.

Not quite. As with other religions, we know that you believe evolution to be true. But we also know you to be blind to the real truth. It is very similar to Islam. Now there are a group of people that strongly believe a false religion, yet they believe it to the point of wanting to blow themselves up with their babies to expand their religion.

So our efforts here are obviously evangelical. We believed because of someone's testimony to us and we hope to share the same testimony to you.

39 posted on 08/16/2006 5:24:28 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (More and more churches are nada scriptura.)
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To: Physicist
News flash for Mrs. Schlafly: the scientists overwhelmingly have considered the evidence more deeply than you ever possibly could have, and more honestly besides, and almost to a person have reached a conclusion that is the opposite of yours.

This is an outright lie. Would you care to verify it? Especially that "almost to a person" claim.
And for your information, Physicist, Mrs. Schlafly has testified in the U.S. congress on nuclear proliferation. So I wouldn't doubt her tenacity in looking at any evidence regarding evolution.

50 posted on 08/16/2006 7:49:07 AM PDT by jla
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To: Physicist

>>The entire creationist belief system is predicated upon the notion that almost every scientist consciously puts aside the evidence to profess something they know is not true.<<

It may appear that way, especially to those on the "receiving end". But I don't think that is the case.


75 posted on 08/16/2006 8:55:54 AM PDT by RobRoy (Islam is more dangerous to the world now that Naziism was in 1937.)
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To: Physicist
News flash for Mrs. Schlafly: the scientists overwhelmingly have considered the evidence more deeply than you ever possibly could have, and more honestly besides, and almost to a person have reached a conclusion that is the opposite of yours.

Of course they have. Because it's been demonstrated publicly that if you step out of line with regard to Darwinian orthodoxy, your career will be ruined. Witness the treatment of Dr. Richard Sternberg.

In my opinion, the ToE offers the best explanation for speciation we currently have. That said, the amount of ridicule and personal attack one must endure to broach the slightest criticism of the ToE matches anything from the Calvinist versus Catholic religious threads.

Like it or not, the ToE has become the 'creation myth' for atheists. And they defend it like it was a tenet of a religious faith rather than as science.
122 posted on 08/16/2006 11:35:18 AM PDT by Antoninus (Public schools are the madrassas of the American Left. --Ann Coulter, Godless)
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To: Physicist
The entire creationist belief system is predicated upon the notion that almost every scientist consciously puts aside the evidence to profess something they know is not true.

Intellectually, it is equivalent to the DUmmie moonbat notion that the minions of the Bush Family Evil Empire perpetrated the 9/11 massacre and managed to cover it up, with not one of the many people who would have been involved ever breaking ranks.

123 posted on 08/16/2006 11:36:36 AM PDT by steve-b ("Creation Science" is to the religous right what "Global Warming" is to the socialist left.)
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To: Physicist
Physicist: News flash for Mrs. Schlafly: the scientists overwhelmingly have considered the evidence more deeply than you ever possibly could have, and more honestly besides, and almost to a person have reached a conclusion that is the opposite of yours.

jla: This is an outright lie. Would you care to verify it? Especially that "almost to a person" claim.



I'll take your failure to reply as an admission of culpability.
276 posted on 08/18/2006 8:44:11 PM PDT by jla
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