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Judgment Day Coming -- for the Neocons
HumanEventsOnline ^ | Aug 18, 2006 | Patrick J. Buchanan

Posted on 08/17/2006 4:30:32 PM PDT by NapkinUser

The Democrats are determined to make the election of 2006 a referendum on Bush and the war in Iraq. And, as of now, that is how history will likely record it.

But beneath the surface of the national election, a different plebiscite is being held, within the conservative movement, on the ideology George Bush imposed on Ronald Reagan's party.

What are the elements of Bushite neoconservatism?

First, an interventionist foreign policy, using U.S. power to impose democracy and "end tyranny on this earth." Afghanistan, Iraq and Lebanon are the laboratories and proving ground.

Second, "Big Government Conservatism," as seen in the deficits, the dearth of vetoes, soaring social spending in wartime, the bulking up of the Department of Education and "faith-based initiatives" -- LBJ-style cash grants to pastors and parsons for Social Gospel work, to reap a harvest of gratitude from the pulpits in elections to come.

Third, a La Raza immigration policy, featuring amnesty and a "path to citizenship" for 12 million illegal aliens, pardons for all businesses that hired illegals, and outsourcing of immigration policy to Corporate America to go abroad and hire workers for jobs here Americans cannot take at the wages offered.

Fourth, a trade policy rooted in the belief that it does not matter where goods are produced or whether Americans produce them. What matters is unimpeded global commerce, where the consumer is king and gets all the goods he wants at the cheapest possible price.

On these four mega-questions, Republicans are as divided as they were in the days of Rockefeller and Goldwater. Where the Right unites -- on tax cuts, John Roberts and Sam Alito -- the president has the nation behind him.

Wherever "conservatives" stand -- whether Old Right or neocon, supply-sider or deficit hawk, America First or global democrat, Big Government or small government -- the returns of Bush's policies are largely in and the outcome unlikely to change. And this is why Bush and the GOP are in trouble, and neoconservatism is in the dock.

The altarpiece of the Bush foreign policy is Iraq. American dead are at 2,600, the wounded at 18,000. Three hundred billion dollars has been plunged into the war. Yet, Iraq is a bloodier, more dangerous place than it has been since the fall of Baghdad. One hundred are being killed every day, half of them in the capital. IED attacks on U.S. troops are at record levels -- three-and-a-half years after Baghdad fell.

The Bush democracy campaign brought stunning electoral gains for the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, Hamas in Palestine, Hezbollah in Lebanon and Moqtada al-Sadr in Iraq. Our ally Hamid Kharzai is today little more than mayor of Kabul, as the Taliban roam the southeast and coalition casualties reach the highest levels since liberation, five years ago.

North Korea and Iran remain defiant on their nuclear programs. Vladimir Putin is befriending every regime at odds with Bush, from Tehran to Damascus to Caracas. Neocon meddling in The Bear's backyard has gotten us bit.

Unless we grade foreign policy on the nobility of the intent, which is how the liberals used to defend disasters like Yalta, it is not credible to call Bush's foreign policy a success. The Lebanon debacle, once U.S. complicity is exposed, is unlikely to win anyone a Nobel.

Bush's trade policy has left us with annual deficits of $800 billion with the world and $200 billion with Beijing. Once the greatest creditor nation in history, we are now the greatest debtor. U.S. manufacturing has been hollowed out with thousands of plants closed and 3 million industrial jobs vanishing since Bush took office.

As for Bush immigration policy, the nation is in virtual rebellion. Six million aliens have been caught at the Mexican border since he took office. One in 12 had a criminal record. In April-May, millions of Hispanics marched through U.S. cities demanding amnesty and all rights of citizenship for aliens who are breaking the law by even being here. Bush and the Senate are in paralysis, appeasing the lawbreakers by offering amnesties and by opposing House demands that the president seal the border before the invasion brings an end to the America we once knew.

While the economy has been running well since 2003, creating jobs, and the markets are performing well, the real wages of working Americans have not kept pace with the portfolios of the clients of Lawrence Kudlow. Industrial states, like Ohio, could be killing fields of the GOP in November.

To the neocon guru Irving Kristol, "The historical task and political purpose of neoconservatism would seem to be ... to convert the Republican Party and American conservatism in general, against their respective wills, into a new kind of conservative politics suitable to governing a modern democracy."

With some of us, the tutoring never took, but the neocons surely did convert George W. How's your boy doing, Irving?


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1 posted on 08/17/2006 4:30:32 PM PDT by NapkinUser
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To: NapkinUser

Better get out that napkin. You'll need it after reading this.


2 posted on 08/17/2006 4:32:33 PM PDT by pissant
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To: NapkinUser

Whew! I started reading this and saw the Buchanan wrote it. Glad I discoverd that before the second sentence.


3 posted on 08/17/2006 4:33:58 PM PDT by Brett66 (Where government advances – and it advances relentlessly – freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: NapkinUser

Yeah..Islam is a big bummer Pat. Agreed we need someone that will fight the fight and cull back the koranimals. Not limp along holding the hands of the shieks while I get my scrotum checked at the airport.


4 posted on 08/17/2006 4:34:59 PM PDT by samadams2000
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To: NapkinUser
Go home Pat Buchanan, 9-11 change everything.
5 posted on 08/17/2006 4:35:18 PM PDT by FreeRep
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To: pissant

More and more I feel like needing disinfectant after reading Buchanen.


6 posted on 08/17/2006 4:35:23 PM PDT by aft_lizard (born conservative...I chose to be a republican)
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To: Brett66
How's your boy doing, Irving? Maybe Pat will tell us how Adolph is doing?
7 posted on 08/17/2006 4:35:45 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: NapkinUser

This will be fun to watch--bookmark.


8 posted on 08/17/2006 4:36:17 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: pissant; NapkinUser
Local businesses cant compete because they can't take advantage of economies of scale.

Pat probably needs a napkin to wipe all the foam off of his mouth.

9 posted on 08/17/2006 4:37:33 PM PDT by pcottraux (It's pronounced "P. Coe-troe.")
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To: NapkinUser
Brace yourself, the party-above-principle Big Tent GOP party loyalists will not be kind.

Hark! I can hear hoof beats in the distance...

10 posted on 08/17/2006 4:37:50 PM PDT by Czar ( StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: pissant
After the stunt by that judge to declare NSA as unconstitutional, the republican numbers are bound to go up.

Can you image the Dem's coming back to DC and having to defend this judge's decision.

11 posted on 08/17/2006 4:38:17 PM PDT by mware (Americans in armchairs doing the job of the media.)
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To: NapkinUser

Patty sounds more and more like a little boy with grudge. Did he get kicked out of a club?


12 posted on 08/17/2006 4:40:25 PM PDT by msnimje (What part of-- "DEATH TO AMERICA" --do the Democrats not understand?)
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To: NapkinUser

Isolationism died in 1941, Pat. We take the fight to the enemy now. Oh, and there is such a thing as a Jewish conservative.


13 posted on 08/17/2006 4:41:07 PM PDT by darth
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To: pissant; NapkinUser
Whoops, forgot to hit copy and pasted the last thing statement I was replying to.

Should say Better get out that napkin. You'll need it after reading this.

14 posted on 08/17/2006 4:42:13 PM PDT by pcottraux (It's pronounced "P. Coe-troe.")
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To: pissant

wow, I yawned before I even saw Pat wrote it..


15 posted on 08/17/2006 4:42:21 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ......Help the "Pendleton 8' and families -- http://www.freerepublic.com/~normsrevenge/)
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To: NapkinUser
Third, a La Raza immigration policy, featuring amnesty and a "path to citizenship" for 12 million illegal aliens, pardons for all businesses that hired illegals, and outsourcing of immigration policy to Corporate America to go abroad and hire workers for jobs here Americans cannot take at the wages offered.

Pat nails this issue on the head!

16 posted on 08/17/2006 4:43:54 PM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: NapkinUser

The Iraq war has been over for years. Its a peacekeepinf operation just like the one in Germany after the end of WWII. There is not a war going on in Iraq. The fact the WH has allowed the subject of Iraq to keep coming up is a massive political failure. The WH should have quit talking about Iraq years ago and moved on. Instead Bush has hunkered down like we're in some Iraq war over there. Its absurd.


17 posted on 08/17/2006 4:43:56 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: mware
Actually, I can't think of a Democrat going anywhere to defend something. When you stand for nothing you have nothing (zip, zero, nada) to defend!
18 posted on 08/17/2006 4:44:14 PM PDT by tuvals (America First - Support Our Troops!)
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To: darth

Actually, it didn't really exist before then, either. The only time it ever really was popular was before WWII, because we remembered the horrors of WWI and didn't want to get involved again. Before then, isolationism was only taken to a limited extent as a foreign policy.


19 posted on 08/17/2006 4:44:46 PM PDT by pcottraux (It's pronounced "P. Coe-troe.")
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To: NapkinUser

So pat is doing campaign commercials for the RATS now? Good luck with that.


20 posted on 08/17/2006 4:51:00 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: NapkinUser
Interesting that Pat Buchanan spits out the word "neocon" as an epithet in exactly the same manner as America's Islamofascist enemies and America's fifth-column leftists do. More interesting, though, is how incoherent his ranting has become. He is blaming every policy and act of George W. Bush that he disagrees with on those damn neocons, even though they had nothing to do with most of them. If the weather is bad, blame the neocons. If the President does not have a filibuster-proof majority in Congress, blame the neocons.

I'm old enough to remember a time when Buchanan's writings showed some insight with at least a glimmer of thought behind them, but those days are long gone...

21 posted on 08/17/2006 4:59:09 PM PDT by Zeppo
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To: NapkinUser

I agree with some of the points made by Buchanan here and disagree with others.The trade deficit for instance has been going on for a lot longer then GW's been in office,and the situation in Lebanon and Taliban in Afganistan preclude the Bush Admin.However the nation building in Iraq and the blind eye to illegal immigration are open to debate as far as I'm concerned !!!


22 posted on 08/17/2006 5:02:01 PM PDT by Obie Wan
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To: NapkinUser

We'll see whether or not Pat knows what he's talking about soon enough. The referendum will be in Nov. My gut feeling is the Neo Cons are going to be repudiated at the polls.


23 posted on 08/17/2006 5:03:10 PM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions-------and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: DTogo

Sure does and I wish he would've mentioned the PNAC boys writing a few years ago about their need for a "Pearl Harbor" type event to help their cause.


24 posted on 08/17/2006 5:03:10 PM PDT by american spirit
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To: Zeppo

"Interesting that Pat Buchanan spits out the word 'neocon' as an epithet in exactly the same manner as America's Islamofascist enemies and America's fifth-column leftists do"

This makes complete sense in view of the fact that all of these people see "neocon" and "Jew" as synnonyms...


25 posted on 08/17/2006 5:08:32 PM PDT by piytar
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To: piytar

Sorry, should have said "all of these people see 'neocon' and 'Jew' or 'pro-Jew Christian' as synnonyms..."


26 posted on 08/17/2006 5:09:36 PM PDT by piytar
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To: ozzymandus

Hopefully the Demonrats will do a little bit worse at the polls than Pat usually does. I used to vote for him on moral issues before he lost his mind on foreign policy.


27 posted on 08/17/2006 5:11:39 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: Czar

The hooves are mine!


28 posted on 08/17/2006 5:12:29 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: NapkinUser
The Lebanon debacle, once U.S. complicity is exposed,

Well, I'd like to know what little birdie has been whispering in Pat's ear???

29 posted on 08/17/2006 5:15:39 PM PDT by Popman ("What I was doing wasn't living, it was dying. I really think God had better plans for me.")
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To: piytar

What the only difference between Mel Gibson's drunk rant and Pat's typical article? Pat's sober.


30 posted on 08/17/2006 5:26:22 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: NapkinUser
"What matters is unimpeded global commerce, where the consumer is king and gets all the goods he wants at the cheapest possible price."

That is an accurate assessment of things happening as I view them.

Pat is a pretty smart guy, but he is somehow quite dysfunctional.

His reasoning has almost always seemed to me to be convoluted and inconsistent.

Certainly his "solutions" would not be in the best interests for posterity.

His still not so small voice, "crying in the wilderness," is certainly corrupted.

31 posted on 08/17/2006 5:42:42 PM PDT by Radix (“Wherever they burn books they will also, in the end, burn human beings.”)
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To: NapkinUser

When I saw the title - I just *knew* it was Paleo Pat!


32 posted on 08/17/2006 5:47:42 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|What if I lecture Americans about America?)
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To: NapkinUser
Ol' Pat would be so happy if the Studebaker wagon was the mode for short transportation and the Conestoga was the long haul method and buggy whip manufacturer's reined supreme. Trouble is the days of sailing ships, pony express, letters by candle light and slave labor is lone gone but Pat just can't cope in his mind with it.
33 posted on 08/17/2006 5:54:46 PM PDT by deport
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To: Mamzelle

"This will be fun to watch--bookmark."

Um, not really ... Here's how it ends: The Liberals Win.

Pat B's been running this play ever since he bashed the elder Bush in New Hampshire in 1992, enough to sour the conservative movement in 1992 on re-elcting Bush.
So a man who won a stunning victory and was in the process of leading us out of a recession, and who had put Clarence Thomas on the Supreme Court, was defeated by Clinton.

Pat B's continued Jihad against Bush the younger will have the same effect. After his internicene warfare and low-road against the GOP establishment, the losses (like a conservative like Santorum) that occur he will chalk up as his brilliant prediction. Never mind that everything he whines about will get worse as a result of his actions and words.

Rebuttals:
1. We 'imposed' democracy in Lebanon. Amazing, considering that we have no troops there.
2. "While the economy has been running well since 2003, creating jobs, and the markets are performing well, the real wages of working Americans have not kept pace with the portfolios of the clients of Lawrence Kudlow."

That contrafactual wealth-bashing, American-military-bashing and immigration-bashing is a Tancredo meets Kucinich mind-meld ... spoken like a true national socialist, Pat!


34 posted on 08/17/2006 6:10:49 PM PDT by WOSG
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To: Obie Wan
Pat correctly, and succinctly, identifies four centrifugal issues for the Republican base. Where he goes off the rails is in his analysis of their relative political importance, and in his implied prescriptions for a remedy.

Too bad about Pat. He was an interesting voice of dissent from the right, before it became clear that he was unhinged by his hatred of Israel and "da Joos".
35 posted on 08/17/2006 6:11:48 PM PDT by absalom01 (Cynthia McKinney: One of the most intelligent Democrats in the country.)
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To: NapkinUser

"The Democrats are determined to make the election of 2006 a referendum on Bush and the war in Iraq."


Huh? what?.........
oh, yeah right, uh that was the same thing the 2004 election was supposed to be about, yeah. Bush won that.

zzzzzzzzzzzzz


36 posted on 08/17/2006 6:13:00 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: NapkinUser

"Fourth, a trade policy rooted in the belief that it does not matter where goods are produced or whether Americans produce them. What matters is unimpeded global commerce, where the consumer is king and gets all the goods he wants at the cheapest possible price."

Can someone explain to me why this isn't better than all the alternatives of socialism and protectionism etc.?
Protectionism may "save" a few jobs at home, at the expense of an overall lower standard of living for all of us; socialism is the #1 cause of poverty in the world.
Why NOT have a free trade system, which make us compete better and more, but is most economically efficient overall?


37 posted on 08/17/2006 6:13:47 PM PDT by WOSG
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To: NapkinUser

The issue is the judges and keeping the economy strong and the tax cuts pemanent. The GOP should do ok if they stick to those issues.


38 posted on 08/17/2006 6:20:19 PM PDT by John Lenin
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To: NapkinUser
2008 will be the telling time, not 2006. The moonbats just don't have a good scare story yet to propel them to the levers of power.
39 posted on 08/17/2006 6:28:53 PM PDT by Paladin2 (If the political indictment's from Fitz, the jury always acquits.)
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To: absalom01

"Pat correctly, and succinctly, identifies four centrifugal issues for the Republican base. Where he goes off the rails is in his analysis of their relative political importance, and in his implied prescriptions for a remedy."

Right. His uninteresting analysis is that GOP will lose in November because they aren't doing what PatB wants them to.
The more interesting question is HOW CAN WE RALLY THE BASE AND GET OUT SELVES BACK ON TRACK ON THESE ISSUES WITH THE VOTERS?


40 posted on 08/17/2006 6:46:12 PM PDT by WOSG
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To: NapkinUser
The Democrats are determined to make the election of 2006 a referendum on Bush and the war in Iraq. And, as of now, that is how history will likely record it.

It might end up as a referendum on "gay marriage" :)

41 posted on 08/17/2006 7:03:29 PM PDT by A. Pole ("Gay marriage" - Karl Rove's conspiracy to defeat Democrats?)
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To: plain talk

"The Iraq war has been over for years. Its a peacekeepinf operation just like the one in Germany after the end of WWII. There is not a war going on in Iraq."

Yes and no. The "hot war" was over in 3 weeks and cost 130 lives. The low-level insurgency costs about 50 lives a month. So we have lost more men in Iraq in every three months of occupation than in the hot war.

" The fact the WH has allowed the subject of Iraq to keep coming up is a massive political failure."

Well, there is reality, and there is the MSM.
The reality is that there *is* a war on. Al Qaeda decided to make a stand in Iraq, which is why hundreds of Iraqi civilians are dying each month. The MSM is so eager to see Bush lose, they want to deliver PR victories to the terrorists. So daily acts of heroism by our guys and success and efforts in helping Iraq are ignored; only terrorist victories are reported.

"The WH should have quit talking about Iraq years ago and moved on." - As long as Cindy Sheehan is talking about it, it's bad political advice not to respond.


42 posted on 08/17/2006 7:59:10 PM PDT by WOSG
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What's fun to watch is how upset one pale ole paleo pundit gets the neos--who's Pat and why should what he says matter? But clearly, to some, it does.

Maybe he's irritated at Kudlow because K is another well-heeled elite who doesn't think he should have to mow his own lawn nor pay a legal wage to have it done. I'm irritated, myself. The immigration issue is the one that will bring the GOP down, not something Pat once said about Bush the Elder. The country club crowd is sneering at Joe Sixpack, and the country club neos don't have their sons in Iraq.

If I could have the ear of the GOP leadership--and I can't, and I'm shortly going to stop hoping--it's this...Joe Sixpack is not at all stupid. He knows he's being sold out.

43 posted on 08/17/2006 8:14:13 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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"Maybe he's irritated at Kudlow" .... because Kudlow is an OPTIMIST and these paleo-cons are allergic to thinking the world can improve!

Moroever ... Pat B. is another well-heeled elite who doesn't think he should have to mow his own lawn either.
Didnt Pat get into trouble for having a Benz while running around complaining about foreign car imports back in the days of presidential candidate runs?

"The country club crowd is sneering at Joe Sixpack, and the country club neos don't have their sons in Iraq."

It's smears like that which just add pointless venom to the debate. A lot of well-to-do reservists have been pulled into GWOT, and some who could afford to stay home - like Pat Tillman - have given the ultimate sarifice. It's interesting that the paleo-con right feels it necessary to engage in the kind of class warfare claptrap that is stock in trade of the left in order to make its point, whatever it is. And what the h*** does a comment like that have to do with immigration?


44 posted on 08/17/2006 9:33:02 PM PDT by WOSG
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To: A. Pole

"The Democrats are determined to make the election of 2006 a referendum on Bush and the war in Iraq. And, as of now, that is how history will likely record it."

"It might end up as a referendum on "gay marriage" :)"

Even if it were such, the MSM will never admit that (unless and until the gays win). The 2006 elections will be a referendum on whatever the MSM decide, after the fact, it was about. If Conservatives win, it will something inconsequential, and be called a 'temper tantrum' or 'fear wins'. If Democrats win, it will be a big deal, and the End of Conservative Movement As We Know It will come about because of it.


45 posted on 08/17/2006 9:36:20 PM PDT by WOSG
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To: AmericaUnited

"What the only difference between Mel Gibson's drunk rant and Pat's typical article? Pat's sober."

Are you sure?? :-)


46 posted on 08/17/2006 9:37:26 PM PDT by WOSG
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To: John Lenin

"The issue is the judges and keeping the economy strong and the tax cuts pemanent. The GOP should do ok if they stick to those issues."

The MSM will make sure to remind people that Bush is to blame for all the world's ills, including unusual weather events.


47 posted on 08/17/2006 9:38:24 PM PDT by WOSG
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To: WOSG

Pat Buchanan blahh... he is simply noise to me and has been since he came out against da Joos.. (as someone above aptly put it)


48 posted on 08/17/2006 9:40:08 PM PDT by Chuzzlewit
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To: NapkinUser
Neocon meddling in The Bear's backyard has gotten us bit.

And that's the call on it. I agree.

49 posted on 08/18/2006 12:28:13 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: BlackElk

I'll take the pisser and the gall.


50 posted on 08/18/2006 12:36:33 AM PDT by Treader (Human convenience is always on the edge of a breakthrough, or a sellout)
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