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The entire Israeli government has become retarded. G-D save us all.
1 posted on 08/21/2006 4:18:29 AM PDT by Alouette
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2 posted on 08/21/2006 4:18:52 AM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 120-134)
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I think anyone sensible would oppose Israel giving up the Golan Heights unless there are tremendous and dramatic changes in Syria's approach. Indeed the words "a full peace" mean a lot, including diplomatic relations, expulsion by Syria of groups dedicated to the destruction of Israel, and proper patrolling and securing of an area where it's way too easy for a small band of terrorists with a mortar to do significant damage in Israel proper.

One alternate solution that might be acceptable to both sides: a Druse homeland. There's plenty of Druse who have served honorably in the IDF, as well as many in Syria itself.

Either solution is a long way off and virtually all of the "movement" needs to come from Syria.

-Eric

3 posted on 08/21/2006 4:48:25 AM PDT by E Rocc (Myspace "Freepers" group moderator)
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Let's see, Syria controls Golan. Galilee Region bombed regularly. Israel controls Golan. Syria is not bombed from Golan.

Yeah, it makes sense to give Golan back to Syria since they have shown themselves to be such peace-loving people.


4 posted on 08/21/2006 4:56:47 AM PDT by Blogger (http://www.propheteuon.com)
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Exactly. Territory is even more - not less - important in an age of missles. What keeps Israel safe from Syrian aggression is not a piece of paper but fact she holds onto the Golan Heights. Israel's politicians have shown they have learned nothing from this war, Olmert, Peretz and Dichter among them.

( No more Olmert! No more Kadima! No more Oslo!)

6 posted on 08/21/2006 5:45:03 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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Take your pick:

1. turn Syria into glass parking lot;
2. keep fighting Syria and Iran-sponsored and equipped proxy armies;
3. peace with Syria and hope they decide to join the civilized world;
4. if 3. is seriously attempted and fails, see #1.


7 posted on 08/21/2006 5:46:07 AM PDT by JustDoItAlways
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IMHO the Golan Heights *should* be on the negociating table, assuming that in return syria really stops supplying hizb'allah, really recognizes israel, and really honors israel's need for water.

the *only* israeli government that could actually negociate the return of the Golan would be a likud government -- i would only trust them to set up a deal which would not harm israel's interests.

the bozos from olmert to dichter should leave well enough alone and just keep their mouths shut -- they've done enough damage already and are making things much worse. if you show weakness or kindness to an islamofascist they will take the opportunity to slit your throat as thanks...

8 posted on 08/21/2006 5:51:34 AM PDT by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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I am simply sickened! Israel isn't small and insecure enough, as things are? Give up the high ground? Give up access to water?

What happened to the Israelis? How did they forget? It cannot just be the willful decision to forget the events in Europe 65 years ago. There has been a continuous history since before the Holocaust of the efforts to eradicate Jewry. This government was elected by a people who should remember what it is like to be peaceful and appease our enemies. So the world hates the militant Jew? The world will only love us in retrospect, when we are eradicated.
10 posted on 08/21/2006 6:07:11 AM PDT by reformedliberal ("Eliminate the mullahs and Islam shall disappear in fifty years." Ayatollah Khomeini)
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Is there any way we can give up a small part of the US in exchange for Peace with the Islamic world? ...say the suburban areas around Boston and San Francisco?

They are mostly lost to US anyway, and at least then we'll have gotten something for them. No?...bad idea? ... well it was as worthwhile to discuss.

11 posted on 08/21/2006 6:11:03 AM PDT by tcostell (MOLON LABE)
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"Internal Security Minister, former head of Shin Bet says, 'Any political process is preferable to military-fighting process, be it with Syria or with Lebanon'; Adds: Israel willing to withdraw from Golan Heights in exchange for full peace, water arrangements with Syria. Internal Security Minister Avi Dichter said Monday that "In exchange for peace with Syria, Israel can leave the Golan Heights."

Yeah. Uh-huh. Sure. Avi, step away from the hookah real slow and keep your hands up where we can see them.
13 posted on 08/21/2006 6:21:10 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (Mid East Ceasefire = Israel ceases but her enemies fire)
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