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Social Issues Unlikely To Hurt Giuliani
The State ^ | 8/21/06

Posted on 08/21/2006 6:16:02 AM PDT by areafiftyone

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To: wireman
All them Eye-talians have mob ties!

Ummm I hope you are not serious. I am an Italian. Now where is my cement mixture. LOL

281 posted on 08/21/2006 11:08:49 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers - Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason)
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To: Sail The Blue Sea
"Why was it wrong when Clinton did it but ok for Rudy?"

It's not acceptable for ANY candidate.

282 posted on 08/21/2006 11:09:24 AM PDT by TommyDale (It's time to dismiss the Duke fake rape case, Mr. Nifong!)
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To: Doctor Phogg

Sorry I mean HAD NO Military Experience.


283 posted on 08/21/2006 11:09:26 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers - Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason)
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To: don-o

Dear don-o,

It may be that in 2008, we just don't have a very good candidate. It's happened before.

Frankly, I still think that once he's done with the 2006 Senatorial campaign, Mr. Allen will put on a good show for 2008. He's no worse a campaigner than our current president, and can be significantly more articulate.

Remember, too, that the process itself helps the ultimately successful candidate. I remember laughing at a Georgian peanut farmer in 1976, and an Arkansas hick in 1992. I didn't find either of these men to be serious candidates. I think lots of folks laughed with me early in the primary seasons in those two years.

I remember how feckless Mr. Bush, the father, seemed in the early part of the 1988 season, but how formidable he was in the general election.

The process itself lends a certain dignity and gravity to successful candidates.

However, it's clear that there is no Ronald Reagan on the horizon.

Fortunately, the Dems don't have a JFK, either.

;-)


sitetest


284 posted on 08/21/2006 11:12:11 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Coleus
vague on 2nd amendment, etc.

Vague?? There's nothing vague whatsoever about his stance on 2nd Amendment issues. Rudy enthusiastically supported and enforced what are by far the most extreme gun ban laws in the US as mayor of NYC. No one should think that as president he wouldn't use his office to push hard for passage of extreme gun control laws for the entire nation.

If the choice is between two enemies of the 2nd Amendment I don't know where the NRA will stand, but I'm pretty sure I know where a large portion of it's 4-1/2 million membership will stand, with conservative 3rd parties. If there is little or no difference in the positions of the two major party nominees on socio-religious and Constitutional issues we may as well just make a statement for the benefit of future GOP primary elections by voting 3rd party.

285 posted on 08/21/2006 11:14:14 AM PDT by epow
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To: Graybeard58
No Rudi, no way, ever.

Amen.

286 posted on 08/21/2006 11:15:08 AM PDT by Liz (The US Constitution is intended to protect the people from the government.)
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To: epow

McCain is certainly not strong on national defense and has no great love for this country. He adores illegal aliens, and his vote on amnesty could be viewed as bordering on treason.


287 posted on 08/21/2006 11:15:33 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: areafiftyone
If the WOT is still ongoing in 2008 Rudy will win the nomination. The American people will not care about social issues if we get attacked or are threatened again.

It will be ongoing beyond 2008. The question remains, who is qualified to pick up the torch once President Bush leaves office. That thought and question alone virtually eliminates any democrat that is out there running for POTUS.

288 posted on 08/21/2006 11:17:28 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity.)
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To: TommyDale
It's not acceptable for ANY candidate.

That's not the vibe I am getting here. I wish it was.

And I do agree with you. There are character issues that should never be overlooked by anyone.

289 posted on 08/21/2006 11:23:12 AM PDT by Sail The Blue Sea (I said it and I mean it)
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To: areafiftyone
I disagree. Why then have ten percent of the illegals caught coming across the border been from threat nations? Using Border Patrol stats and extrapolating for the last ten years...that means we have something like 70,000 potential tango's on our soil now. Surely they're not all coming to work as cab drivers and convienence store clerks? Have you ever seen the DHS map of the USA that outlines known cells of AQ, Hamas and Hezbollah here? All three of those are represented in my home of south Florida.

In Israel their past conduct has indeed been gunfire. In the 1970's it was common for Israeli schools to get shot to pieces by terrorists. That all stopped when the IDF began issuing UZI's to all school teachers! But look at the massacre at the LOD (Greece) airport from the 1980's. Firearms and grenades. Achille Lauro cruise ship? Gunfire. Munich 1972? Gunfire and grenades. True...lately the attacks internationally have been backpack devices, like Spain and London. I personally do not think that the 911 scenario will work again. Maybe the last UK plot is more likely, to take out only the airliners in mid-air. While tragic, I doubt it will have the terror impact that a Beslan school massacre would inspire.

Bombs? Sure....picture waves of suicide bombers "going off" simultaneously in malls and schools across the country. Picture a Beslan taking place in all 50 states at once. That was pretty one on one in the comparative sense to 911. Can that be stopped by an alert citizen? Sure. It's happened in Tel Aviv more than once.

Exactly like a common criminal, the Jihadis see us as SHEEP to feed upon. They think we're decadent, soft and stupid. Especially our civilian citizens. I think they've garnered a grudging respect for our military...but they absolutely do not feel the same way about our citizenry....yet.

290 posted on 08/21/2006 11:23:30 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: Doctor Phogg
Giuliani has no military experience.

Assuming Congress gives them the green light, President's by and large (regardless of whether or not they have military experience) don't order troops around on the battlefield once they are there. They order them onto the battlefield, with their commanders on the ground.

291 posted on 08/21/2006 11:23:51 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity.)
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To: sitetest; don-o; TommyDale
.....it's clear that there is no Ronald Reagan (for Republicans) on the horizon. Fortunately, the Dems don't have a JFK, either.....

That has got to be one insightful comment.

There's a mistaken perception that the Dem candidate is virtually unbeatable, and that we must abandon our conservative Republican principles to back a RINO.

As JimRob famously wrote: "First Hillary has to get by us."

292 posted on 08/21/2006 11:26:44 AM PDT by Liz (The US Constitution is intended to protect the people from the government.)
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To: Sail The Blue Sea

We need to hammer this message home to every sing post that tries to paint Giuliani or McCain as the favorite. The list of issues that I posted are significant in the South and Midwest:

Abortion
Partial Birth Abortion
Higher Taxes
Gun Control and/or Confiscation
Religious issues
Homosexual Agenda
School Vouchers
Illegal Invaders and/or Immigrants Amnesty


293 posted on 08/21/2006 11:27:42 AM PDT by TommyDale (It's time to dismiss the Duke fake rape case, Mr. Nifong!)
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To: areafiftyone
That's the big cities where there are huge populations.

I just noticed this. I live in Miami, Florida. Home to one of the largest populations of Jews and gays in the nation. The Jihadis have no love for either group. I am most certainly in their sights in the sense that Miami is a high value target. Also consider that many of the 911 attackers got their flight training in south Florida because they blend in -- they look like hispanics. Now comes the report that illegals crossing the Mexican border from threat nations are learning SPANISH to better blend into the background scenery.

294 posted on 08/21/2006 11:30:30 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: Liz

And as Margaret Thatcher said, "Don't go wobbly, (George)."


295 posted on 08/21/2006 11:30:37 AM PDT by don-o (Proudly posting without reading the thread since 1998. (stolen from one cool dude))
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To: sitetest

>>especially if the Democrats don't do something stupid and nominate a pure cut-and-runner.

Yes, a lot depends on who the other candidate is. It also depends on how things - including Iraq and the economy - develop over the next two years.

Currently, there are only three ways of assessing how candidates will fare against each other: opinion polls; fundraising appeal; and judgement. This far in advance of an election, judgement is probably the most important. It seems that you and I have made different judgements.

It is possible that nearer the time we will find out which of us was right. But then, so many other factors come into play, that it is very possible we won't.


296 posted on 08/21/2006 11:32:19 AM PDT by qlangley
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To: areafiftyone

"In the loonie bin probably."

You're the one championing a pro-abortion presumptive Republican presidential candidate, with photos in circulation of him in not one, but two different drag "outfits." Your definition of a loon obviously differs from mine.


297 posted on 08/21/2006 11:38:44 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: don-o; jla; TommyDale; upchuck; Graybeard58; conservativecorner; Doohickey
.....as (conservative) Margaret Thatcher said: "Don't go wobbly, (George)"......

As Sir Winston Churchill said: "A love for tradition has never weakened a nation, indeed it has strengthened nations in their hour of peril."

298 posted on 08/21/2006 11:41:58 AM PDT by Liz (The US Constitution is intended to protect the people from the government.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Well then do it. I would like to see the reaction of people.


299 posted on 08/21/2006 1:11:04 PM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers - Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason)
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To: wireman

Of course they do even when jailing them.


300 posted on 08/21/2006 1:18:35 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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