Posted on 08/21/2006 6:16:02 AM PDT by areafiftyone
I would rather stand for what is right. Giuliani is associated with criminals and he is not the only choice, and McCain is a madman. You decide.
WOW!!!
>>"The American people will not care about social issues if we get attacked or are threatened again."
>>LOL! That has to qualify as the dumbest statement of the day!
It is dumb, but mostly because 'the American people' are not a monolith. Nor are 'Republican primary voters'.
Many people certainly will care about these issues, but others will be willing to put them aside, still others think they are important, but don't share your views on them.
The support which Giuliani will be able to gather in a primary campaign depends on a whole range of factors, none of which are particularly predictable.
1. The extent to which people are voting on the GWOT first and other issues second. Many certainly will, but how many depends on how things progress between now and then.
2. The extent to which social issues might have been diffused. If W has replaced Stevens and Ginsburg on the Court by then, many social issues will be in the hands of governors not presidents.
3. The extent to which Giuliani is prepared to move on the issues. He might, for example, promise to appoint strict constructionist judges and oppose Roe, while saying he would favour his own state (NY) then choosing to adopt liberal abortion laws while others went in a different direction. On guns I am sure he will adopt a federalist position: "What's right for New York City is not always right for Wyoming. Duh! Next question".
4. The breadth and strength of the rest of the field.
I am not suggesting that ALL social conservatives could ever be won over to Giuliani. But under some circumstances many could. Since he already has supporters among those with more liberal or libertarian views, and those who simply prioritise national security and economics well ahead of social issues, he could emerge as a strong contender.
With the GOP's already evident "more liberal views" on government, defense, and economic issues, the parties conservative views on social issues are all I have/had left ?!?!?
Gay rights (i.e. workforce, etc) is what Rudy is for NOT Gay Marriage. But you seem more obsessed with the Gay issue than Rudy is right now.
I like Rudy....but I won't vote for him.
Giuliani will never win over the Southern or Midwestern Conservatives to win a general election. It won't happen.
Certainly a Giuliani administration would fund embryonic stem cells (and those people don't need any more money, it's a scam to begin with) and would not care about social issues, even if Rudy happens to line up with conservatives on them.
And what kind of judges do you think he'd nominate? I'm thinking we'd be lucky to get an Anthony Kennedy.
That being said, I don't think he's a bad guy and I think he's a perfect VP choice. If the POTUS cannot serve, it's likely to be due to terrorism and we'll need a Rudy at that point.
More on Rudy.
Regardless of what happens in 08' he will make our side debate our issues in our way - openly and hopefully with a lot of respect for one another.
Clearly Rudy has some polarizing issues he is going to have to face - but I think he will face them - and he will do it with honesty and conviction.
"you have your opinion - I have mine" type discussion.
08' is going to heaven for political junkies - and in the end we will all be better off from it.
Wrong! Illegal amnesty, and he is all the way for lettnig anyone who ever gets in having amnesty. I saw him interviewed, he was really good to illegals in New York when he was mayor. I could vote for him except for that.
Trust me on this - RUDY IS NO VP.
When you see him on stage and you see him debate - you will realize that Rudy being VP is like John Wayne being a deputy Sheriff.
I don't think so.
And did you listen to WHY he said he was good to Illegals?? Because the Government would not do anything at the time Clinton was in office. He had no choice. He had no power over illegal immigrants but in order to make it safe for NYers he had to make it easier for them to live there and becmee citizens. He made it easier for the illegals to report criminals and crime by not having to give their names. He helped them try to get their citizenship if they wanted and by letting them report the criminals from their country you get rid of the bad element. Rudy's hands were tied at the time during a Clinton White House. He needed to stop crime. Rudy as a mayor cannot deport people it was up to the Federal government to deport. He believes in closing the border.
If Rudy wants to take our guns away from us what difference does it make?
Your personal guns will do nothing to stop terrorism. They don't come after you like that - Bombs and planes are the weapons of choice. Be real. Besides Rudy will not bother with the gun laws.
The disturbing obsession with Rudolfo is beginning to show----reminds me of the Howie Dean claque, before the fall.
Looks like the Rudy ding-a-lings will say or do anything to foist their lapdog on conservatives----but conservatives aren't buying.
Rudy debuted in Georgia last month, as a "conservative vote rallier."
Rudy was all puckererd up, sucking up to everything in sight-----but he flopped bigtime when Ralph Reed went down to defeat. Which is no surpise to social conservatives
(Golly, I hope the Rudy pushers don't get Carpal Tunnel Syndrome highlighting-cutting-pasting-emailing these wonderful posts that keep Rudy briefed on what a jerk he is in conservative circles.)
I have no doubt the party hacks will support Giuliani, but the base voters won't.
Wrong.
So why should we be willing to turn the GOP over to their clones, Giuliani and McCain?
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