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Personally, I only give of my money, time, or energy to specific candidates or specific projects I believe in.

As I have stated here more than once, I don't think the resources of the conservative movement are used wisely, overall. IMO, money given to most organizations or to the RNC is largely wasted, if your goal is to defeat the Left and to advance conservative ideals.

The top-down mentality of the DC-based hacks leads to a situation where the needed resources for battling the Left rarely get to where those resources are needed most, down in the trenches. Many of these people pay lip-service to "the grassroots", but they don't really believe in grassroots politics, aka "self-government". In fact, they sneer at it.

Having said that, I think that both Keyes and the Minutemen have done quite a lot for the movement, and for grassroots conservatism.

Sorry you've had a bad experience with fungible mailing lists. I hate that myself. But, you are going too far when you call the sale of mailing lists "fraudulent". It's standard practice...the same people who you are pointing a finger at vis a vis Keyes also work for the RNC, the NRA, NRTL, Heritage, etc., etc., etc. If it was fraud, they'd have all gone to jail decades ago. You might not like that fact. I may not like that fact. But it remains a fact.

Oh man, you are splitting the sides over here.

Yeh, EV doesn't think resources are used wisely AND he doesn't like the fact that mailing lists of good hearted conservatives are bought and sold like trading cards...so what does he do? He creates his own little donation gathering and list building entitities! Why, here's just a couple of examples of EV working against the tide of scamming conservative organizations :

http://www.usbordersecurity.org/

Funny you mention "self-government" in your post above...

http://www.selfgovernment.us/
(btw, these are hosted on the same server that hosts most of Alan Keyes'organizations, does he know you had these going while working for him? Or are you in some sort of apprentice program? LOL)

Are there any other Tom? I mean, we want to make sure we know ALL the little donation gathering sites you are involved in. Help us out, because you we know you are just as upset over these little organizations are "largely wasted".

You are such a pathetic joker. You are shrinking with every post.

Having said that, I think that both Keyes and the Minutemen have done quite a lot for the movement, and for grassroots conservatism.

It is a fact that Keyes and the various MM groups have called attention to social Conservative issues and the overall national sovereignty/border/law enforcement/immigration mess. I pray that this attention will result in the victory of moral libertarianism/social conservatism vs. social liberalism/amoral libertarianism regarding the former -- and in enforcement of mostly adequate existing laws regarding the latter.

Sorry you've had a bad experience with fungible mailing lists. I hate that myself. But, you are going too far when you call the sale of mailing lists "fraudulent". It's standard practice...the same people who you are pointing a finger at vis a vis Keyes also work for the RNC, the NRA, NRTL, Heritage, etc., etc., etc. If it was fraud, they'd have all gone to jail decades ago. You might not like that fact. I may not like that fact. But it remains a fact.

The whole online scene is fraught with Privacy Policy statements that are clear as mud. Long before the Web, offline list usage was far from a noble proposition, in many cases. Fund-raising of all political persuasions indeed is involved with list rentals in a big way, for the most part. Some organizations offer an opt-out or assurance of privacy. But corruption can thwart even the best intentions by organizations (witness the theft of AOL's list a few months ago).

EV, perhaps it's too much to expect Army Corps of Engineers levels of productivity on the border, with mostly volunteers, literally being shot at from the Mexican side, with enormous ambivalence and political resistance from the U.S side. I want to believe you and Keyes and Simcox are all on the level. I pray you all are. Do what you can to get the border wall up and the books open. I've seen these people stand up for what I consider important principles and so I'm withholding judgment for the moment. Please do keep me posted on verifiable progress. Thanks.