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Why Britain Stopped the Terror Plot
Insight Magazine via FPM ^ | 25 AUGUST 2006 | Insight Magazine

Posted on 08/25/2006 3:12:48 AM PDT by rdb3

Why Britain Stopped the Terror Plot
By Insight Magazine
Insight Magazine | August 25, 2006

The Homeland Security Department has neither the legal nor technical tools to match the British capture of terrorist operatives before they were about to blow up passenger airliners.

Officials said U.S. law would not have allowed the FBI to conduct the type of surveillance that led Britain to uncover the al Qaeda cell and capture what could be the network’s chief. They said the department also does not have the funding to detect new types of bombs used by al Qaeda.

''What helped the British in this case is the ability to be nimble, to be fast, to be flexible, to operate based on fast-moving information,'' Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said.

 

Officials said British authorities have greater powers of surveillance and investigation, which facilitated the capture of more than 20 suspected al Qaeda plotters. In contrast, they said, Congress has been reviewing the Bush administration's warrantless eavesdropping program and military tribunals.

 

On Aug. 17, U.S. District Judge Anna Diggs Taylor ruled in Detroit that the National Security Agency's wiretap program was unconstitutional and ordered that it be halted. The administration plans to appeal the decision.

 

"If this program were to be halted, it would hamper our ability to foil terrorist plots," said Sen. Mike DeWine, Ohio Republican and member of the Senate Select Intelligence Committee. "It is a critical tool to prevent America from being attacked."

 

But critics in Congress said DHS has failed to properly use its authority to foil terrorist plots. They said the biggest disappointment was the department's refusal to allocate research and development funds.

 

In August, the Bush administration sought to eliminate $6 million from the DHS budget for the development of explosives detection technology. The administration's attempt, blocked by Congress, took place as DHS's Sciences & Technology Directorate failed to spend $200 million in research and development money from previous years.

 

"The committee is extremely disappointed with the manner in which S&T is being managed within the Department of Homeland Security," a June 29 report by the Senate Appropriations Committee said.

 

Officials also acknowledged DHS delays in testing a new liquid explosives detector supplied by Japan in 2006. Al Qaeda sought to use liquid explosives to destroy as many as 10 American airlines.

 

"It is very promising technology, and we are extremely interested in it to help us operationally in the next several years," Assistant Secretary for Transportation Security Kip Hawley said.

 

But DHS, which spent $732 million in 2006 to develop explosives deterrents, concluded that several commercial liquid explosive detectors tested since 2003 have been deemed unfeasible.

 

The department has also failed to deploy trace explosive detectors in foreign airports to stop so-called shoe bombs. The systems have already been deployed in most U.S. airports.

 

"To help close this gap, the percentage of shoes subjected to explosives inspection should be significantly increased," a DHS report in 2005 said.

 

"Within the current state of the art, they afford the only meaningful explosives detection capability at the checkpoint."

 

The U.S. watch list of suspected terrorists has been criticized as vague and often a waste of time for border officers. A July 24 report by DHS Inspector General Richard Skinner asserted that U.S. Customs and Border Protection officers lack "authority to make timely and informed decisions regarding the admissibility of individuals who they could quickly confirm are not the suspected terrorist."

 

''We've done a lot in our legal system the last few years, to move in the direction of that kind of efficiency,'' Mr. Chertoff said. ''But we ought to constantly review our legal rules to make sure they're helping us, not hindering us.''

 

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: annadiggstaylor; counterterrorism; londonairlineplot; waronterror; wot
The Homeland Security Department has neither the legal nor technical tools to match the British capture of terrorist operatives before they were about to blow up passenger airliners.

And this is just pathetic.

1 posted on 08/25/2006 3:12:49 AM PDT by rdb3
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To: rdb3
Good morning, rdb3. They're going to get a whole bunch of people killed, I fear. It's this kind of thinking that just frosts me: "DHS's Sciences & Technology Directorate failed to spend $200 million in research and development money from previous years."

Makes no difference HOW you spend the money, just that you do spend it.

2 posted on 08/25/2006 3:35:05 AM PDT by Bahbah (Goldwasser, Regev and Shalit, we are praying for you...and now Steve and Olaf.)
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To: rdb3
Well, when you have Demoncrats fighting against throwing money at security and raising countless objections to wire tapping and giving terrorist rights with politically correct trash ... THAT IS THE RESULT ->

"The Homeland Security Department has neither the legal nor technical tools to match the British capture of terrorist operatives before they were about to blow up passenger airliners."

Now, they'll be highly critical of the Bush administration for not doing more while they feverishly hinder ALL possible to make us more secure.
3 posted on 08/25/2006 3:44:16 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: Bahbah
The America haters try their best to kill the Patriot Act then they screech that the DHS is not doing enough to keep America safe.

Seems there are those who constantly complain no matter what steps are taken to keep us safe.

They celebrate the corrupt judge Diggs, then demand to know why the Brits do more to prevent terror attacks.

4 posted on 08/25/2006 3:52:54 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: OldFriend

I have begun to wonder if they even see the enormous inconsistencies and disconnect from reality in their positions. Very dangerous bunch.


5 posted on 08/25/2006 4:04:34 AM PDT by Bahbah (Goldwasser, Regev and Shalit, we are praying for you...and now Steve and Olaf.)
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To: rdb3

The Brits have spent decades fighting terrorism and know that you have to fight dirty to beat them. I remember being in the UK when the IRA cell was shot dead on Gibraltar. If you don't stoop to their levels, they will win.


6 posted on 08/25/2006 4:06:51 AM PDT by AdAstraPerArdua
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To: Bahbah

As Mark Steyn said so well yesterday. The left WANTS us to lose the WOT.


7 posted on 08/25/2006 4:18:44 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: rdb3
Yeah, let's all vote/not vote to teach Republican's a lesson this fall!
8 posted on 08/25/2006 5:14:15 AM PDT by Obadiah
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To: rdb3
The Homeland Security Department has neither the legal nor technical tools to match the British capture of terrorist operatives before they were about to blow up passenger airliners.

I fear that all aspects of US society, DHS as an example, now emphasize bureaucracy over substance...

9 posted on 08/25/2006 5:16:18 AM PDT by RochesterFan
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To: OldFriend
The America haters try their best to kill the Patriot Act then they screech that the DHS is not doing enough to keep America safe.

That's because those people claim the only way to stop terrorism is to redistribute wealth worldwide. That $200 million is wasted in their eyes unless it goes to the terrorists.

10 posted on 08/25/2006 5:17:24 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (I've had it with these &%#@* jihadis on these &%#@* planes!)
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To: rdb3
unfortunately, IMHO you are extracting the wrong lesson from this: the british authorities were nimble and fast and had better tools and regulations to assist them. its a laugher to think the HS, would somehow become more effective if it had better tools and regulations.

the key of course, is the people and is in being nimble and fast. i find the HS to be a bit of a bad joke and do *not* sleep better at night knowing they are on the beat strip searching 85 year old invalid women at the airport...

11 posted on 08/25/2006 5:23:05 AM PDT by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: rdb3
''What helped the British in this case is the ability to be nimble, to be fast, to be flexible, to operate based on fast-moving information,'' Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said.

Just another example of Chertoff's insatiable lust for power. The man is a danger to our freedom.

12 posted on 08/25/2006 5:24:29 AM PDT by OldCorps
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To: rdb3
And this is just pathetic.

Nameless, faceless, bureaucrats...federal judges, ACLU, inertia.
13 posted on 08/25/2006 5:33:24 AM PDT by carumba (The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. Groucho)
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To: rdb3

14 posted on 08/25/2006 6:03:06 AM PDT by Gritty (If this is a ‘long war’ it needs rhetoric that can go the distance. Today it fails that test-Mk Stey)
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To: chilepepper

You can keep to your mantra about HS searching 85 yr. olds but you know full well there is a lot going on that you know nothing about......but then you don't want to know either because it takes away your whine.


15 posted on 08/25/2006 6:17:57 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: Bahbah
"DHS's Sciences & Technology Directorate failed to spend $200 million in research and development money from previous years."

Makes no difference HOW you spend the money, just that you do spend it.

I'm not so sure. In my opinion congress created DHS and then immediately recognized the potential for pork. They have created a situation where DHS is a pork distribution project, parcelling out grants in the $1M range to a million different municipalities and states. Makes congress happy, though when I hear them upset that they didnt spend enough I wonder what strings were on that money (limits on ammounts per project, has to be used on small/minority businesses, must be in state x...).

Bottom line, congress doesnt take HLS seriously. If it did, it would demand a comprehensive strategy, fund it, and support it. And if that strategy resulted in fewer life jackets going to Fargo ND, they'd nod and accept it because the greater good warrants it. But try to take a penny away from local pork spending (NYC anyone?) and listen to the wailing.

If it began to treat DHS like DOD was treated in the cold war, we'd see some progress. But that looks unlikely unless we get hit again in a big way (god forbid).

16 posted on 08/25/2006 6:18:09 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Often wrong, but never in doubt!)
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In my opinion congress created DHS and then immediately recognized the potential for pork. They have created a situation where DHS is a pork distribution project

That was actually my point. You just did a far better job of making it.

17 posted on 08/25/2006 6:29:18 AM PDT by Bahbah (Goldwasser, Regev and Shalit, we are praying for you...and now Steve and Olaf.)
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18 posted on 08/25/2006 7:12:45 AM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn't do!)
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To: Bahbah

I had thought you were saying that in the current circumstances, we need to be investing in a variety of projects and if the money is there then it needs to be spent or we'll never make progress. As my only defense for debating someone by throwing their own point back at them, I refer you to my tagline.


19 posted on 08/25/2006 7:26:52 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Often wrong, but never in doubt!)
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To: rdb3

BUSH SPIED
TERRORIST DIED


20 posted on 08/25/2006 7:31:11 AM PDT by edzo4
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To: OldFriend

A few days after the plot was foiled, we were buttonholed in the grocery store by an acquaintance. He and his wife had flown in from Amsterdam prior to the groundings at Heatherow, but he had to tell us that "Of course, we have to search every granny from the Midwest.....".

I just told him I was in favor of all security procedures because we had no guarantee we could decide in advance who was going to do what. He immediately turned away and stopped someone just behind me and repeated his lines, word for word.

It was all about his own relavancy to the event and he wanted everyone else to know that. He had zero interest in discussions of reality.

Maybe I should find out what his FR handle is......


21 posted on 08/25/2006 7:39:13 AM PDT by reformedliberal ("Eliminate the mullahs and Islam shall disappear in fifty years." Ayatollah Khomeini)
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Israel gives no immunity to security checks to grannies, old men or women in wheelchairs, etc. NONE.

There is no way to enter the cockpit from the cabin on any of their planes, and marshalls are usually on every flight.

True, Israel is a tiny country, but their threat is major, MAJOR.

If people here want to whine I suggest they not fly.

And I'm sick of levin and hannity off on this kick about searching old folks.

I AM ALL FOR SEARCHING EVERYONE AS THO THEY ARE A TERRORIST.

22 posted on 08/25/2006 8:14:00 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: rdb3

The Homeland Security Department has neither the legal nor technical tools to match the British capture of terrorist operatives before they were about to blow up passenger airliners.

And this is just pathetic.

Yes, but Americans can die knowing that there were no intecepted phone calls or profiling by national origin. Surely this is worth it.


23 posted on 08/25/2006 8:17:12 AM PDT by DOGEY
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To: OldFriend
and you know that Chertoff is a total dork running a bloated, over funded bureaucracy where quick and nimble will win the day...
24 posted on 08/25/2006 8:48:34 AM PDT by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: OldFriend

Me, too.

I am a Midwestern granny who looks Middle Eastern. My husband has a beard. The searches are not onerous, invasive or humiliating. Every TSA agent I encountered last November (6 flights) was professional, courteous and throrough. All our bags were searched, including checked ones. We found the TSA sticker on them and the little notice they put inside. And these were all domestic flights.

Hannity is just a mouthpiece for talking points. I just haven't figured out whose talking points. Buchanan's?


I also believe that our threat is major, as well.


25 posted on 08/25/2006 8:58:43 AM PDT by reformedliberal ("Eliminate the mullahs and Islam shall disappear in fifty years." Ayatollah Khomeini)
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To: edzo4
Love it!!
26 posted on 08/25/2006 9:02:53 AM PDT by Churchillspirit (We are all foot soldiers in this War On Terror.)
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To: OldFriend
I friend of mine in Belfast had his pub blown up by the IRA. Twelve people were killed, including his seventeen year old sister.

The perp. was a thirty something woman with a ten year old child in tow.

You never know.

27 posted on 08/25/2006 9:07:34 AM PDT by Churchillspirit (We are all foot soldiers in this War On Terror.)
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To: rdb3
What helped the British in this case is the ability to be nimble, to be fast, to be flexible, to operate based on fast-moving information,'' Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said.

Agreed. The British authorities were tipped off by a neighbor, and followed it up with solid, professional poliecework. Which as NOTHING to do with

Officials said British authorities have greater powers of surveillance and investigation, which facilitated the capture of more than 20 suspected al Qaeda plotters. In contrast, they said, Congress has been reviewing the Bush administration's warrantless eavesdropping program and military tribunals.

Maybe if the executive were focused on, oh, securing our ports or really reforming our intelligence and law enforcement(FBI) community congress wouldn't be riding them so hard.
28 posted on 08/25/2006 9:13:33 AM PDT by Truth-The Anti Spin
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To: reformedliberal
Thank you for being understanding about the danger. I want everything to be done to see to it that my family and every one else's family arrives safely at their destination.

We all fly all the time. With hopes that we help the people in charge do their job and not hinder them.

29 posted on 08/25/2006 9:23:34 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: chilepepper
And Chertoff has the power to fire...............hah, the TSA union workers are untouchable. The protocols in place are nearly insurmountable.

Can you imagine what would happen here if a man was shot dead on the subway in a case of mistaken identity as happened in London after the London train bombings.

30 posted on 08/25/2006 9:25:53 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: OldFriend

Chertoff lost my respect the way the handled Katrina aid for FEMA. He bungled that badly IMHO, and the residual effects may yet cost the GOP its Congressional majority...


31 posted on 08/25/2006 9:37:27 AM PDT by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: chilepepper
Here you are mouthing the MSM talking points about Katrina.

Sorry but our conversation is fini!

32 posted on 08/25/2006 9:40:40 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: OldFriend
Here you are mouthing the MSM talking points about Katrina

the blunders of FEMA running the Katrina operation speak for themselves and require no MSM intervention.

The way Chertoff managed Katrina was an unmitigated disaster, in all aspects. The antipode of quick and nimble, and unfortunately I suspect he is running HS the same way....

33 posted on 08/25/2006 10:11:03 AM PDT by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: OldFriend
The left WANTS us to lose the WOT

Only while a Republican sits in the WH; their attitudes/positions would change completely if a Donkey won in '08. It's all party politics to them.

34 posted on 08/26/2006 7:27:02 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: OldFriend
The America haters try their best to kill the Patriot Act then they screech that the DHS is not doing enough to keep America safe.

And then they point to the Brits blocking this plot as proof that a law enforcement approach to counterterrorism is better than a military approach - and then turn around and aggressively work to deny US law enforcement the same tools the Brits had for this action.

I have truly come to the conclusion that debating liberals is utterly pointless. They are not only oblivious to such contradictions, they seem to relish them. All we can do is point out their inherent idiocy so we can continue to marginalize them.

35 posted on 08/26/2006 7:30:18 AM PDT by dirtboy (This tagline has been photoshopped)
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